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I can't remember what episode it was but there was a really interesting chat between Joe Rogan and David Goggins on the Rogan podcast where David said in his view it's better to work out every day and ensure that you don't wake up the next day sore.

His logic was that daily 80% threshold workouts are better than 2-3 times a week at 110%. Consistency is key - and that stuck with me.

There's something nice about having muscle ache but it's counter productive to wanting to get back in the gym for most people!



Using DOMS as a metric is quite wrong. They are very subjective and most importantly they do not occur proportionally to exertion.


What I've heard is the exact opposite, you should wait until the muscle soreness is on the way out (2-3 days if you are a beginner) until training that muscle again, to give it time to build new muscle. I've also found that I only get bad DOMS when I haven't trained a muscle in a while. If it happens every time, I am training slightly different spots every time because my execution is not clean.

(Side note, I find the highly technical term DOMS funny, as if that is some syndrom that has just recently been discovered. It's just plain old muscle soreness, the German term translates even roughly to "muscle hangover").


I guess it's horses for courses. One person's pain as a measurement of success in the gym is another person's reason not to work out until the pain is totally gone - which might mean they never get off the starting blocks.


DOMS and muscle soreness are two different things. And since they is the case, you can and ought to train without waiting for DOMS to go away


Is the MS in DOMS not muscle soreness?


Literally yes. However the soreness you get after working out for the first time in a while (or a new muscle from a while) is DOMS and not the same as the soreness from a good workout of a muscle group you regularly exercise


I do full body strength training 6-7 times per week normally, and am rarely sore anymore

when I stop working out for several days in a row (like on travel), I'm always sore after the first workout upon resumption (whereupon I'll usually skip the next day, then be back to normal)

tl;dr: feels like conditioning can help with soreness

I also jump between the hot tub and pool a few times for 15-20 minutes after every workout, so maybe that's a bit of recovery (in addition to getting enough protein before and after the workout)


On the other hand, I've also heard that threshold workouts are better because people don't even get near to maximal exertion (certainly not "110%"). We consistently overestimate how much effort we put in.

So, a 60% workout every day is better than the "high intensity" workout a few times per week that actually just clocks in at 75% effort.

Just another reason to stick to daily consistency, and not the only reason.


Firas Zahabi says the same thing too : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbCcWyYthQ

0:13 : I'm a big believer in never being sore. You should train and the next day you should wake up feeling good


One of the best sensible videos I've watched on the topic. Firas might not look it, but he's trained a lot of authoritative athletes


His view on other things though. Damn. I don't know the guy. I searched his name on youtube to see if he'd go into more detail in another interview. I won't say it takes something away from what he says about training but damn I kind of feel like it does anyway. :)


Of course he didn't back it with facts, he just said so because that's what he's selling or plans to be selling.




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