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This article kind of grinds my gears. I feel like there is an unstated assumption that people in pharma R&D are idiots and haven’t thought of this stuff.

Pharma companies care very much about off target effects. Molecules get screened against tox targets, and a bad tox readout can be a death sentence for an entire program. And you need to look at the toxicity of major metabolites too.

One of the major value propositions of non small molecule modalities like biologics is specificity, and alternative metabolism pathways; no need to worry about the CYPs.

Another thing they fail to account for is volume of distribution. Does it matter if it hits some receptor only expressed in microglia if it can’t cross the blood brain barrier?

Also the reason why off targets for a lot of FDA approved drugs are unknown is because they were approved in the steampunk industrial era.

To me this whole article reads like an advertisement for a screening assay.



I work in drug discovery (like for real, I have a DC under my belt, not hypothetical AI protein generation blah blah) and had the opposite experience reading it. We understand so little about most drugs. Dialing out selectivity for a closely related protein was one of the most fun and eye opening experiences of my career.

Of course we've thought of all these things. But it's typically fragmented, and oftentimes out of scope. One of the hardest parts of any R&D project is honestly just doing a literature search to the point of exhaustion.


I side with you. The more you know, the more you discover what you don’t know.

Every attempt to consider the extremely complex dynamics of human biology as a pure state machine, like with Pascal, deterministic of your know all the factors, is simplification and can safely be rejected as hypotheses.

Hormons, age, sex, weight, food, aging, sun, environmental, epigenetic changes, body composition, activity level, infections, medication all play a role, even galenic.


Put it this way: even in Pascal (especially in Pascal) you generally work in source code. You don't try to read the object code, and if you do, you generally might try to decompile or disassemble it. What you don't do -unless you're desperate- is try to understand what the program is doing by means of directly reading the hexdump (let alone actually printing it out in binary!)

Now imagine someone has written a Compiler that compiles something much more sophisticated into Pascal (some 'fourth generation language' (4GL) ) . Now you'd be working in that 4GL, not in Pascal. Looking at the Pascal source code here would be less useful. Best to look at the 4GL code.

Biology is a bit like that. It's technically deterministic all the way down (until we reach quantum effects, at least). But trying to explain why Aunt Betty sneezed by looking at the orbital hybridization state of carbon atoms might be a wee bit unuseful at times. Better to just hand her a handkerchief.

(And even this rule has exceptions: Abstractions can be leaky!)


You might be interested in this if you've never seen it: https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source...


>molecules get screened against tox targets

sure! i cover this in the essay, the purpose of this dataset is not just toxicity, but repurposing also

>toxicity of major metabolites

this is planned (and also explicitly mentioned in the article)

>no need to worry about CYP’s

again, this is about more than just toxicity

>volume of distribution

i suppose, but this feels like a strange point to raise. this dataset doesnt account for a lot of things, no biological dataset does

>advertisement

to some degree: it is! but it is also one that is free for academic usage and the only one of its kind accessible to smaller biopharmas


My main point of skepticism about repurposing is whether this is giving any of new and actionable information. It seems to be reliant on pre existing target annotations, and qualified targets already have molecules designed for them. Is the off-target effect strong enough to give you a superior molecule? Why not just start by picking a qualified target and committing to designing a better molecule without doing all the off target assay stuff first?




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