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Part of the problem is that with habius corpus being ignored we don't know how many people who were successfully deported without incident should have been.

50 bad cases also doesn't really summarize it well. Chainsawing through a fence and going through an entire apartment complex and zip typing kids together after violently breaking in really isn't "one" incident. Every single interaction there is potentially bad. Just because people were later released because they weren't illegal or in a gang or whatever does not justify going into people's private space and detaining them in a scary way, especially without warrants. That stuff is going to frighten and traumatize those kids. Home will no longer feel safe. This incitement of fear is in itself a huge part of the point and part of why it's very very bad.


Man that's dark. True though.

Scott Adams didn't move from a ghetto, he moved to get away from black people. The presence of black people does not a ghetto make.

There are though absolutely places with a large black population which have serious crime issues, but you see similar crime rates in impoverished areas that are predominantly white. Calling it a problem in black America makes it seem like a black problem when that is correlative rather than causitive. Poverty is the core.

Historical inertia, past (though fairly recent) laws, etc... are part of a complex story of which the result is poverty among a specific demographic (though not limited to that demographic of course - the extractive mining towns in Appalachian areas created parallel stories of systemic poverty in predominantly white regions).

It takes a long time for societal wounds to heal.


You're switching topics.

The prompt was whether blacks leaving black neighborhoods would be labeled racist. The assumption is that although it is categorical racism, nobody would call the act racist.

As for crime, it's such a messy topic, though, recheck. I can easily find a lot of studies showing black communities having higher gun homicides, etc. after controlling for wealth (which you disagree with).


On the topic of crime,no, I don't necessarily disagree there. I'm sure your statistical data is correct.

The way societal traumas manifest is tied to the types of trauma each demographic experienced and experiences (including their own self-perceptions of the ways in which they have been victimizes).

Poverty is often a stressor that squeezes out behavior we tend to identify as criminal, but it just a common factor in exposing the wounds.

Depending on the group in poverty, it may manifest as gun violence, physical violence without guns, domestic violence, theft, stimulant abuse, opiate abuse, and a myriad of other things.

i.e. if your cultural wound is to feel powerless, a gun may make you feel powerful; in charge.

If the wound is anxiety, you might choose to numb out.

Controlling for wealth only gets you so far because it is a single dimension.


You brought up POOR, white Appalachia. Therefore, controlling for wealth is reasonable. Other factors are presumably controlled for too.

If you want to bring up generational trauma, then it sounds to me like you're making the argument to leave a neighborhood based on skin color. Yet, I don't know how to reconcile that with your criteria that racism is about intent regardless of risk.


I meant, and probably did not articulate well, that controlling for wealth and then comparing only one type of crime is the problem.

The type of crime is the product of complex factors.

The presence of crime in general is also complex but is exposed by and increased by poverty

As for racism and intent, leaving an area because it's unsafe is one thing. Leaving an unsafe area because you think black people are inferior AND because of safety is another thing entirely.

In the same way, it is one thing to understand historic trauma has negatively impacted a demographic, and another thing to decide that the behavior you're disturbed by is intrinsic is another. That's the reason that discrimination based on a trait a person cannot change (like skin colour) is racist even if you argue it is statistically rational. Judging people individually on criteria of character, ability, etc... is a recipe for better social outcomes overall.


(making two replies to separate topics) ... So as for switching topics... maybe? I meant that the comparison of black people moving from a ghetto isn't a good comparison just because they're literally moving away from a black community. They're not moving away from blackness, they're escaping a physical location tied to all kinds of negative risks.

I think I would call the act racist because what makes it racist is tied to intent. But one could argue otherwise I suppose. That's just my take.


It is?

I am existentially starving AND burned out.

I haven't been lucky enough that startups I got in on early panned out so I don't have the ability to take a sabbatical.


Of course they also took the route of inventing a new 3d api Metal which is at odds with Vulkan. There is HoneyKrisp of course, but if one want's decent gaming on an M1 or M2 laptop, Asahi Linux is actually the superior choice.

I don't think one can call it even close to success when the best way to run AAA games on your hardware is to literally replace the entire operating system which uses cobbled together components like FEX and wine/proton, etc... the fact that that works with more games is insane.


Again:

> Whether they’re succeeding at it is another story.

You may disagree with their strategy all you like. You may even think they are doing everything wrong, that’s perfectly legitimate. But they are clearly interested in having gaming happen on their platforms. The claim that they aren’t is the only thing I disputed.


Metal predates Vulkan.


Same! I've been using it since pre-1.0 and love it. I am currently a few blocks away from it's birthplace.

Probably the wrong time or place but I am also on the market literally as of yesterday so if anyone is looking for an experienced Django guy, I'm your man! oldspiceap@gmail.com


There are a lot of cool things about these, one that they are less typo prone and also they are often much faster.

The downside is I find them hard to read.

I think the template approach isn't quite right and yet neither is the functional approach.

At the end of the day these are a type of tree structure; I think we could conjure a new mechanism that gets the best of most/both worlds.


Yeah, I agree, I find them hard to read. JSX is the best thing I've used. Elsewhere in the thread someone mentioned Cotton which seems to strike a different balance.

To be honest my main problem with templates is they have to be one per file. In principle there's no difference between naming a new file and naming a function, but in practice it just sucks. It's a higher barrier so people are less likely to write smaller components, and refactoring support completely sucks. Even renaming a template is a massive pain whereas renaming a function with decent LSP support is easy.

JSX hits that perfect balance between readability while still being regular functions. Maybe something is possible with the new 3.13 template strings?


As an FYI, I'm with the template strings folks (new feature in 3.14) and we're building an HTML system around the idea of JSX-style components as callables, but with actual strings of HTML. Check our <a href="https://t-strings.github.io/tdom/usage/components.html">components page</a> for more detail.

With template strings, the symbols in the HTML string a just like Python code. Static analysis tooling can step in and do things.

We have ambitions to start an interoperability movement in Python HTML, so htpy and tdom could agree on a common Node structure.


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I prefer gevent over explicit async so I'll die on that hill with you. The cooperative model adopted by Python async is... bad.


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