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Reminds me of [1]

> There are still 1.5 million people paying a monthly subscription service fee for AOL — but instead of dial-up access, these subscribers get technical support and identity theft software.

> The number of AOL dial-up subscribers is now “in the low thousands,” according to a source.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/aol-1point5-million-people-s...


What a scam! I have seen companies who offer to check your subscriptions and automatically cancel for you.


This is just flat out rude.


It's a big organization, but I can understand the feeling, because I had the same attitude towards Microsoft, Oracle, Salesforce and many others.


It’s a big organization, which means there will be areas full of great people and areas full of less-than great people. To discount all work from a group that large is just silly.


I've personally been watching YouTube less and less. The ads are insane. I would normally spend more time watching videos but it's become so disruptive

I think most of us can agree that many videos are unnecessarily long (as it's incentivized by the creator for ad revenue), so there's far more fluff in it. With the rise of LLMs, etc for getting knowledge fast , I just can't see how this model is sustainable. I don't want to waste time watching videos that could have been a short paragraph. And when you add 30 second ads every 5 mins it makes it even less compelling


Don't everyone on HN use ublock origin? I haven't seen an ad in years.


Sideloaded the latest and greatest YouTube++/uYou/uYouPlus/(currently uYouEnhanced) on my iPhone and re-sign it weekly with AltStore, Trollstore, or use a jailbroken equivalent on a device that managed to stay jailbroken.

There’s a few other new options I’ve seen through Reddit for web viewing, iOS content blockers, or hosting your own VPS invidious/piped instance with rotating ipv6 servers (not google/aws/digital ocean as they require using a web panel).

You can leave ads on for whitelisted creators sponsored advertising content also.


same. firefox with ubO is my best friend.


I don't want the ads, but I'd rather see the carefully curated list of creators I care about be able to get paid, and Youtube Music works for me. Youtube Premium is worth it.


YouTube seems to be doing subtle dark patterns if you use uBlock origin.

For example, I can watch videos, but I often get an "error" if I try to seek in the video.


Same here.


Phones and TVs.


> The ads are insane.

The ads are indeed insane. They break YouTube in practice. YouTube, in its wisdom, much like a mobster in the protection racket, offers you an out: pay for Premium. I ended up doing this because YT is one of the things I use the most. The alternative was having Firefox with uBlock Origin on every mobile device in my household, I suppose, but this wasn't feasible.

YouTube Premium took the win :(

> I just can't see how this model is sustainable. I don't want to waste time watching videos that could have been a short paragraph

Depends on what you're watching. I always disliked, say, programming tutorials in video form -- give me text, to read and understand at my own pace. Many video tutorials are unnecessarily longwinded and always go at the wrong pace for me, either too fast or too slow.

But I watch tons of videos about other topics where video is the right form. I watch hobby tutorials, I watch videos about cinema/art, etc, and I feel video is the right format for me.


It's harder to avoid bad quality videos that now you can't see downvotes.

As for the video being unnecessarily long - I have played with copying the transcript from the video into ChatGPT, but they tend to be too long for ChatGPT to handle.


Kagi has an Universal Summerized function that can give you a nice summary of a video.


Where do you see ads on Youtube? I have seen maybe one or two in 10 years.


More and more content creators are just embedding them directly into their videos. Either by just mentioning sponsor names in the flow of what they are talking about, or doing little sidebars where they talk about/promote their sponsors.

I don't mind these so much because they are easy to skip, but ad-blockers don't catch them.


I see them almost guaranteed unless I'm logged in. I ended up paying for Premium to remove them.


Yeah but operating a service like YouTube is such a money pit (given on recent HN threads I've read). It seems like they've been mostly able to work because of their huge ad network, targeting, etc.


It's not inherently a money pit.

Google and Facebook have a complete oligopoly over the ads market and are manipulating it so nobody else can prosper.


It seems like inherently a money pit to me. Was Google even profiting off it before they started cramming in ads and offering YT Premium?


Serving video data to, potentially, billions of users is absolutely expensive.

You can't, "in a weekend" a youtube clone that can stand up to the first viral hit.


That's what BitTorrent is for. The main issue with torrenting is that non-viral content is going to have very low availability.


Yeah, the important 3rd wheel of the video space:

1) Hosting space/cpu/bandwidth. Video is one of the most intense data jobs out there, behind I suppose maybe AI and Big Data (if anyone is still doing that). You need Terabytes of drive space, petabytes of traffic, all the CDNs, processors capable of encoding inefficient video uploads to efficient video downloads. 2) Network effect. People need to actually want to come, so that people come. 3) Paying for all this - People don't like donating, don't like paying, but hard drives/servers/power banks are not free. So you either charge premiums or use ads.

I wish more people had been willing to pay for Youtube Pro, e.g. (I still do), they're (still) getting worse because the ad-supported version(s) are still the bulk of their income. And so the ad-supported version is messing up everything, being very aggressive, etc. You/I pay for Netflix, why wouldn't you pay for Youtube?

You can't influence the dynamic with capitalism at all when something is free. Sure, companies can "en-shittify", but at least for video this is fairly simple - when it costs too much/works too terribly on one video platform, you can move to the next one. 1) and 2) Make it harder to start a new paid platform, but not impossible - you can directly reflect the costs to your users. YT is just a black box at present...but would have been less so if Youtube Pro had been more popular (ads might have been easier to block, even).


There's a space for Netflix here. They have the "TV" class subscribers, they have all the networks, knowhow.

All the initial groundwork is done.

All they need is a platform for the youtube class content provider. They already have ad deals too.

They could, if they found some model that works, snap up loads of talent.... and that talent could even stay on youtube too.

As long as they keep content in its own category...


Yet The New York Post was the only major publication willing to cover the Hunter Biden Laptop while smothered elsewhere.


Thats kinda the point.


I think it should be a fundamental right to pay for goods with cash.


no, no, because you can just grow your own, or just buy guns with cash and use them to exchange them to food. (and if it's not interstate no need for paperwork, right? - in freedom states)


A bit of a rant, but I find it hard to believe pg goes on reddit much if this is how he feels.

I remember years ago reddit was a lot more like HN. The comment section (even for the main subs) was much more intellectual and critical.

People appeared to actually read posted articles. It was a thing where people would read the comment section before the article because everyone knew headlines were generally clickbait, and you could rely on some internet stranger to have analyzed the article and demonstrate the headline wasn't all as it seemed.

But now it seems that no one reads the articles at all or care for any sort of discourse with people with different opinions. Comments are filled with just jabs and pitchforks. No different than comment sections on news sites. Yet Redditors still seem to have the arrogance that it had developed over the years that their communities are better than those sites. And well, they used to be, but now they're just as bad.


I use RES to tag users that fit certain profiles of spamming divisive content or are just karma farming. In the past few months of lurking reddit an hour a day (sadly) I have accumulated more than 200 accounts that I took the time to identify, and many get banned. My count is only that low because I filter subs when I find they're total trash.

Much of reddit is, as they say, a cesspool. I have filtered over 200 subs from /r/all on my browser due to being nothing but spam, or being hatefully divisive on race or identity, or being a political echo chamber. If it burned down, little would be lost, and it would simply be replaced by another spam content farm.

Example spam submission:

https://old.reddit.com/r/FuckImOld/comments/1bk3ovp/what_els...

Example user submitting spam:

https://old.reddit.com/user/NaturallyFlashy

Notice account age compared with post history.


Non mainstream Reddit is still great. city specific subs for example and some programming subs.


And it's very clear to me that HN is next to suffer this fate


Luckily, we have the golden rule that will surely prevent this fate:

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

Bottom of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


People have been saying that since before Hacker News was called Hacker News.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13852

Whatever the poison is, to quote Voltaire, "it must be very slow".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21755721


Fun fact: Half of all HN posts/ comments were made in the last five years. I'm brand-new to here instead of reddit (no subs grrr), but look old as the hills from this perspective.


HN has got worse in some places - I think size is the enemy of any community - but HN has comfortably sat behind the curve because it doesn't try to leave its niche. It is mostly outside forces that have changed HN (I.e growth of the general Internet population and big tech), whereas Reddit, etc try to change themselves (by changing their format and gamifying engagement)


HN's worst times was at peak free money tech optimism.

Plenty of pretending that running a "successful" startup wasn't 90% scamming. The actual tech and programming didn't matter, all that mattered was that your `hello world.proj` was a money pump from users to shareholders or from shareholders to founders.

Just find all the old posts that say Uber/WeWork/Theranos/Tesla/SpaceX/etc will all make bajillions in 10 years and their tech is amazing and the problems are actually not that hard.


Let's not kid ourselves. HN already has the problem of commentors not reading the article, we're just not allowed to discuss it as per the rules.


Not next, it already does... but hacker news is also very hard to kill.


I selected my interests as Cooking, Fitness, Nature, Video Games, and my feed has absolutely none of that. Just random politics, activism, and jabs at Twitter. Anyway, nope.


I don't actually know how the interests are intended to work, but I can say that the key feature of Bluesky is feeds. (I know this isn't at all obvious.) Feeds are third-party created, for the most part, and essentially function as filters. So, for example, I follow a movies feed. Any post which includes the movie camera emoji, the word "filmsky", or a few other keywords is included in the movies feed. It makes it very easy to swipe over and see discussions of cinema.

That sounds (and is) a lot like tag-based feeds over on Twitter. However, there's additional potential. Behind the scenes, a feed is a service which takes the user info of the person viewing it and the firehose and decides which posts to include based on that input. So "include all posts with these keywords" is valid, but so is "include the top 100 posts with these keywords, as measured by likes." Or "show a feed including only the most recent post from every user the viewer follows."

In other words: feeds are the way a third party can build their own algorithm for the firehose. Very powerful, very useful.


I found this confusing too

I think the interests section was to try get you to find people and feeds.. but after that, the feeds (or just the Discovery feed?) are influenced by who you follow.. so if you are offered a 'bad' (for you) starting group of people to follow, your feed will probably not be great until you find people you like (that are active) and follow them too.

Also was unsure what "Follow all +" button was.. why not "Follow Selected".. and a 'deselect all'.. I had no idea who all but 2 of the suggestions were. Not going to follow a random "Computer Scientist" the system picked for me sight/posts unseen.


> After his death, the scammers sent Guffey a laughing face emoji and a message using a pseudo account on Instagram after the original one was shut down. “It said, ‘did I tell you your son begged for his life?’” Guffey says. They also demanded money in exchange for the photos.

I wish there was a special prison for these types of people. Jesus Christ.


>using a pseudo account

points to one of the major issues around this. Why are these even possible? Instagram is a social network for real people. Implement a strong form of ID verification. Charge people a dollar for a sign up. Sure there'll still be edge cases of people using stolen creds but it cuts down what, 99.9% of scam? The kid in the article was extorted for 25$. Drive the cost of this crap up.


I would go to Taken levels of "yeah, I'm coming after you" if this happened to me.

Yet again, Humans are the problem.


Con artists seem to often have a psychopathy that even a lot of violent criminals don't possess.


Gonna get even worse once this sort of work is outsourced to language models en masse


I had a "son" WhatsApp scammer I took for a chat gpt ride. The "father" wouldn't send money cause the son was an addict. Sleezy scumbag happily pressed along promising rehab, sun and moon.


I haven't used VR/AR in a while, so I don't know if I should have expected this, but those black borders seem pretty large, and I think Apple made it seem the field of vision is much larger than it really is.

The Verge hit the nail on the head with hand gestures. The input device is critical for a new computing platform. This is too awkward to be something you do all day.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most returned Apple product.


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