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It works if your existing population is willing to do unskilled labour. Which in my country is not the case


I love this one because it's so basically obvious: the price for this work will increase or it simply won't happen and wasn't necessary anyway.


You can't get native Americans to do farm work for any amount of money, because they'd have to live in the middle of nowhere near the farm and that's no fun.

(That is, you'd have to pay them so much they could buy the farm and then hire someone else to work it. But you're not going to do that.)


The market will take care of this: people will do the work or pay for it or they won't eat.


"They won't eat" is a perfectly possible outcome of this, and a bad one. That is called a recession.


No, it's called a famine and wouldn't happen. Recession would imply that the market was completely incapable of adjusting to allocate resources correctly.

Promoting a second-tier, legally-disenfranchised workforce isn't the win you seem to think it is.


> Recession would imply that the market was completely incapable of adjusting to allocate resources correctly.

It doesn't have to be "complete", just a shortfall in demand, and of course eventually it ends. But if the market doesn't clear for a while, that's still people having to eat less for a while.

> Promoting a second-tier, legally-disenfranchised workforce isn't the win you seem to think it is.

Almost everything is better than farm work, which is why everyone ditches it as fast as they can. Even being a sweatshop worker is better. Nevertheless, the migrant farmworkers are doing it because it's better than their alternatives, presumably because they get paid better than doing it in their own country.

Btw, I'm not even thinking of especially poor countries here. Japan is a respectable first-world country but has surprisingly low wages and a bad exchange rate, and there are recent cases of Japanese people leaving for Australia to do work like this and making 2-3x what they can at home.

And of course back in Japan it feels like every convenience store worker these days is an immigrant from China, India or elsewhere.

This is fine, really. Productivity will increase over time, they'll save money over time, and their kids will have better jobs.


Or everyone pays much higher prices.


You missed what's actually happening, which is that cheap workers don't need to migrate to you to get unskilled work done for you.

The jobs move to distant factories filled with alien staff paying taxes to far away governments and who then spend their wages where they live (which isn't where you live).

Even with tariffs, that's still cheaper for many things. And the work you're incentivising to bring to you with tariffs, that's often automated precisely because it's unskilled. Food has been increasingly automated at least since the 1750s — to the extent that cows milk themselves (into machines not just into calves) these days.

It works until it doesn't — wherever the jobs go gets a rising economic spiral, and a generation later their middle class is corresponding richer and say to each other much what you say now: "why do we need them?", only now you are a "them" in that discussion.

It's a weird thing, migration. The short term incentives absolutely favour it for everyone, but it's bad for the place of origin in the long-term.

But note that I didn't say international migration: the arguments are the same between San Francisco and Sacremento, or between Lampeter and Cardiff, or between Marzahn and Zehlendorf.


cheap labour, not unskilled.

So what you want is to import third world immigrants so you can pay your plumber cheaply instead of paying them appriopriately.


That's the ethos of commerce for thousands of years. Try to pay the least to get the best


"informed the infrastructure teams to prepare for its launch with only two days’ advance notice. "

What a nice way to say we don't respect our engineers. They should hide in the woods with their planning skills and not post about it


Yeah this hit home so hard. Had to leave the startup i loved working at, because started doing all this release fast crap. And somehow people think releasing fintech stuff fast and untested is fine.


My personal experience im a daily drinker 2-3 cups, but can easily not drink for couple of days no problem. But i have high blood pressure my uneducated guess is that BP has a lot to do with how you handle non coffee days


Mostly agree, but i think the more seniority you get in your company the less you will deal with these issues and of course changing jobs helps. So basically you might encounter all of these but not necessarily.

And starting from scratch and college is basically the same point


Same here argparse does everything a cli tool would ever need. Looked at click lib and actually don't even find it more readable


Its interesting that the weight is such an issue. I have 13 pro it weighs a lot and i love it and the case actually adds some weight. Cant name all the reasons why i like it ( just a feeling i guess) but one reason is that i know for sure when the phone is in my pocket and i didnt forget it.


Anecdotal: but all of the psychology students i've met were far from being stable and had serious issues of their own. But its just my own experience and a stereotype i have now


where there's smoke, there's fire


Can anyone explain how can it be 20 kilometers in depth and yet Mariana trench is the deepest place on earth 11km ?


The article says:

  > The Chicxulub crater is an impact crater buried underneath the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico.
So I guess plate techtonics have caused things to shift around such that the crater isn't a hole in the surface now, but is underneath other rock?


Fun fact: If you google "Chicxulub crater" you see an animation of an asteroid crashing.


It was an impact crater. Over millions of years it was filled with sediment, so it's not that deep anymore.


I wonder if some form of regulation is coming to tech. We do not allow people to spread heroin freely or slavery or some other sort of horrible stuff.


How are you going to effectively regulate a white paper? Or Stable diffusion? These things can be trained on readily available, easily purchased by the average citizen commodity GPU hardware. Heck, there’s rumors NVIDIA has an RTX titan in the pipe for under $3000 with 48GB of VRAM!

Even if the government regulates that I can’t physically have one, I could rent a rig of A100X8 servers in Russia, VPN tunnel into it, and download whatever artifacts the server generates.

How in the world could any government short of North Korea effectively regulate such a thing, even if they went full authoritarian, the blowback from such draconian measures would be intense?


I don't really know it does sound super hard. But maybe if we consider that we go down the path where you do not own your tech (we are close to that now) and the companies have some monitoring tools to see what you are doing. And then you have this kind of network of trusted machines that you communicate with.

Edit: i really don't like the idea that i have to be paranoid about every interaction with tech.


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