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Good riddance of a far-right pro-nazi bar


I never liked Elon, but "far-right pro-nazi bar"? Are you from reddit or did I just miss something?


I think it’s a reference to the story about a barkeep kicking out a nazi from his bar even though the nazi wasn’t doing anything wrong because he believed that as soon as you tolerate one, you are a nazi bar.


He has shared content from far right/pro-Nazi accounts in the past.


I take it the fact you're not sharing any sources is because your claim is either weak, out of context, or have never checked it yourself. Do we crucify Elon because he agreed on an unrelated topic with a person he did not know was a nazi?

So you hate a celebrity for a past time. Do you get confirmation for this kind of behaviour on other websites?



No nazis, no far right.. Elon agreeing with a point a conservative politician made makes him a nazi to you. Are you even German? Are you actually familiar with AFDs talking points? I take it you're on team anti-evil and saw the target painted.

Elon is an asshole. But the media didn't come after him until he started talking sense on Ukraine. Now every loser with a complex is using it as therapy to badmouth Elon.


Digga

1.) Tino Chrupalla im Artikel erwähnt ist rechtsextrem. Merz z.B. ist konservativ. Musk kennt wahrscheinlich nicht den wichtigsten, deutschen konservativen Politiker. 2.) AfD Propaganda ist zu teilen ist das Teilen rechtsextremer Propaganda.

Bisschen raus aus der AfD Blase.


1.) Was macht Tino Chrupalla rechst-extrem? Heutzutage isst alles was einter nich mag rechts-extreem. Weil heutzutage wen du nicht übertreibst hört dich keiner. Darum muss man da die Deteils beachten. Ist Tino nurh gegen immigration oder sind da andere rechts-extreme parolen? 2.) Ich verstehe Deutsch. Das war kein Deutsch.


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tino_Chrupalla#Zeitungen_und_P... "Nach Angaben der Lausitzer Rundschau kündigte Chrupalla 2017 an, sich dafür einzusetzen, „die Zeitungsredaktionen in die Schranken“ zu weisen, wofür er auch Änderungen von Gesetzen und am Grundgesetz nicht ausschließe.[51] Gegenüber der taz erklärte Chrupalla, diese Aussage sei so nicht gefallen, die Redakteurin der Lausitzer Rundschau habe sie erfunden.[15] Allerdings forderte Chrupalla im Januar 2019 Parteikollegen auf, „schwarze Listen“ über Journalisten zu führen und „Hintergrundinformationen über als Journalisten getarnte Zersetzungsagenten“ zusammenzutragen.[52][53]" "Das Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz nannte ihn namentlich in seinem Gutachten, das die Einstufung der AfD als Prüffall begründet. Grund dafür ist, dass er dem Rechtsextremisten und verurteilten Holocaustleugner Nikolai Nerling im Juni 2018 ein bei YouTube veröffentlichtes Interview gegeben hatte.[18][19]"

"In einem ZDF-Interview nach seiner Wahl zu einem der beiden Bundesvorsitzenden Ende 2019 wurde Chrupalla wegen seines Aufrufs zu gemäßigter Sprache zu seinen eigenen Aussagen befragt. Chrupalla bestritt daraufhin, den Begriff „Umvolkung“ verwendet zu haben, obwohl Videoaufzeichnungen davon vorliegen. Chrupalla erwiderte dann, er halte den Begriff nicht für rechtsextrem und er habe ihn „nicht bewusst gesetzt“. Auch Ausführungen eines Teilnehmers derselben Veranstaltung, der Migration mit einem Genozid, bei dem die Deutschen durch ein „Mischvolk“ ersetzt würden, verglichen und verurteilte Kriegsverbrecher des Zweiten Weltkriegs als „Jungs, die am Galgen in Nürnberg geendet sind“, bezeichnet hatte, gab Chrupalla damals laut Videoaufnahmen „zum Teil recht“, was er im Interview dann bestritt; stattdessen behauptete er, dem Mann widersprochen zu haben.[58][59]"


> Elon agreeing with a point a conservative politician made makes him a nazi to you

I can't read German - what was the point?


Physical attacks on right-leaning politicians in Germany are on the rise. Usually in the name of peaceful coexistance, as they are targeted at politicians opposing an open immigration policy.

I personally oppose an open immigration policy and I see myself more on the left in most issues. That's why the whole left / right divide is nonsense. I can oppose keeping minimum income low by employing(taking advantage of) people from poorer countries without being racist.

Calling Elon a nazi because he agreed with something a right leaning politician said is juvenile. And that's coming from a person whose family was targeted for extemination by the nazis (grandfather was an intellectual slav(dr.med.), can't have that screwing with the race theories).


Spot on.

> Calling Elon a nazi because he agreed with something a right leaning politician said is juvenile. And that's coming from a person whose family was targeted for extemination by the nazis (grandfather was an intellectual slav(dr.med.), can't have that screwing with the race theories).

Exactly. It seems that word (Nazi) just loses its meaning each time it is loosely used to describe someone that they don't like, in this case to Elon Musk and others. It is beyond childish and does a disservice to those who have fought actual 'Nazis' or have directly suffered under them.

So their best [0] was to find a guilt by association over Elon and this politician in the article, agreeing with being against open and uncontrolled immigration; therefore Nazi. Oh dear.

Maybe everyone who is driving Volkswagons today are also nazis or anyone working for IBM is also a nazi. /s

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37940653


sorry false news spreading. The politician who was attacked was far right, was lying (claimed, he was poisoned) and spread the lie after debunked.


> The Ingolstadt public prosecutor's office in Bavaria, after having previously refuted allegations of an attack on AfD co-chairman Tino Chrupalla at a campaign event last week, has said that the conservative leader did indeed suffer from some kind of "puncture injury,"

Welcome to the information war. Rules are simple: Never admit you're wrong and never forget you're fighting for the good side.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/german-doctor... https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2023-10/tino-chrupal...

So Elon took a position on this issue in support of this politician. But my issue is what makes this politician a nazi? Genuine question as I'm not a German.


Both far-right and pro-Nazi definitions have been greatly expanded to cover nearly all of the "original antifa" [1], CS Lewis is a far-right red-flag [2], and "racist" has been expanded beyond all meaning [3]. Meanwhile the Canadian parliament applauded a literal Waffen SS fighter [4], but somehow the 'Nazi-adjacent' label didn't stick to them.

Which is not to say there is no genuine merit behind your accusation, just that, without elaborating, it's impossible to know what they mean, as even just enforcing standing immigration law is far-right these days.

[1] Prevailing opinion among 5872 typical white enlisted men in the Air Forces is: Train Negroes as pilots, bombardiers and navigators, but segregate the Negro both in training and in subsequent duty. - https://ia902302.us.archive.org/25/items/us-war-department-f...

[2] https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/cs-lewis-home-office...

[3] https://www.embracerace.org/resources/explaining-to-my-eight...

[4] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/canadian-parliament-ovatio...


> the Canadian parliament applauded a literal Waffen SS fighter

That seems to have been a simple screening fuck-up — probably by a relatively-young staffer — and the MP resigned his post as speaker in consequence.


Along with JRR Tolkien, Aldous Huxley, Joseph Conrad and George Orwell.


Share one wrong thing on twitter and you are literally a nazi. Amazing.


Sure, who still even believes Google, the masters of creating spyware and malware software. Best to stop listening to them and stay as far away from the junk as possible.


This should be opt-in so this corporate piracy is blocked by default.


Linux, LibreOffice, Firefox, KDE Plasma desktop


Just stop being a helpless victim and get rid of this evil corporate spyware and switch to a privacy-respecting browser like Firefox, or even better LibreWolf https://librewolf.net/


I know the goal of LibreWolf is privacy, but logging out of everything on every session was enough for me to deal with the 'privacy' problem.

Maybe because I have adblock, but I just don't get these ads other people talk about.


Logging out doesn't clear tracking cookies, adblock might. (uBlock origin user here as adblock had some dodgy company take it over iirc)


This will do nothing to prevent browser fingerprinting.


Neh it is complete junk, I thought Webex by Cisco was bad when i had to use it, but Teams is even worse.


Worse in what way?


Yeah it sounds more like far-right racist


No, it is shameful that US allows such huge monopolies in the first place. These should not exist at all and should be broken up before becoming so huge.


Umm none of these companies are monopolies. For everyone in the list there is another option

Europe just doesn't have any companies at all


10 of the world's largest 50 companies by revenue are European.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_r...


Interesting list. The only European companies I recognize are car companies; Volkswagen, Fiat Chrysler, and Mercedes-Benz. The rest are all energy or mining companies, with the exception of Schwarz Gruppe which is apparently a retail chain? It's also surprising how many of the American companies are healthcare-related, and how the relative ordering changes to favor tech and oil companies when you sort by profit instead of revenue.


This list actually surprised me. The European companies on the list fall into 3 categories: commodities (e.g. petroleum or mining), utilities, and automakers.


> For everyone in the list there is another option

Yep. WhatsApp and FB Messenger. Two options. Except that they seem to be owned by the same company.


Signal, iMessage, Telegram, Line, WeChat, Element, SMS ...the list goes on n on


Yeah and if you put it that way Brave or Opera are viable browser alternatives that should be regulated :)

Only ubiquitous thing in that list is SMS. Which is crap and that's why no one uses it any more, and no one ever liked to use it.


They are viable options. I dont know about regulated, but them not being used is their problem. IE6 was king and then phoenix unseated them, followed by firefox. So people have options, them not using the other option is their issue


none of these are options when the only way to talk to my landlord or my customer is whatsapp.


Europe's definition of monopoly is one that actually makes sense, unlike the US's bafflingly stupid version. You do not need over 50% to be a monopoly.


More like, no other financial and investment markets are as liquid and stable as America’s, which attracts the world’s innovators and investors. The US should not replicate the failure and incompetence at the helm of the EU and other major bureaucracies.


> The US should not replicate the failure and incompetence at the helm of the EU and other major bureaucracies.

Yeah, protecting consumers and allowing fair competition, what a shame.


I like that entirely vibes-based reddit discourse has made its way onto this platform.


Fair competition from who? Certainly not the EU.


You missed the point. It doesn't matter where competition comes from, this whole campaign is about loosening the grip a handful of companies ("gatekeepers") have over de facto monopolies.

In short, this would benefit smaller players everywhere.


Yeah, a bloated spyware virus it is.


I am also a big fan, It was actually KDE Plasma that convinced me to switch to GNU/Linux. I was offered distros with other desktops at first and all were lacking features and customisability. Only when trying out a distro with Plasma have I switched and remained. And I find it better then anything that is out there, even when counting closed/proprietary alternatives.


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