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If the copyright costs get too high then we'll just use Chinese AI, unless they try to ban that, too.


NASDAQ hasn't been this low since 2 weeks ago!


When was the last $1T tech sell-off?

That's what people are grousing about.


Never. This wasn't such a sell-off either.

What actually happened is that market cap declined by that amount, where market cap of course is just latest share price multiplied by shares outstanding.

Nobody should be surprised or care that this number fluctuates, which is why certain people try really hard to make it seem more interesting than it really is. Otherwise they'd be out of a job.

There is really nothing dumber than finance news.


Also known as mark-to-market. Especially with the cyclical deals with stock at fictional (ie. never sold at that price) valuations, that are now all the rage.

Reminds me of Enron, really.


The casino is rigged anyway. While people are standing outside food banks under god emperor Trump the billionaires are making more money than ever.

We will never see another 1929 crash in which rich people had to sell off their cars.



Why is food bank use in Vancouver, Canada relevant to a complaint about Trump?

Sure, Trump wants to add Canada to his kingdom, but unless something wild happened while I was out shopping, still a different country.


Well according to the FT article that this article is based on:

a) it's $800B

b) this is the largest such selloff since April

https://archive.ph/bzr5G


With the pace of inflation we have been witnessing over the past years $1T has become unimpressive. Let's talk percentages. And if somebody wants to talk about absolute numbers, they should talk not only about negatives, but positives too, as in how much the stock market has gained before losing that $1T.


Who cares? Volatility is uninteresting.


Volatility is where big money is made, ie. retails scalped


This narrative that retail is constantly panicking and selling every time the market drops is it based in anything? I'm under the impression the massive volume of buying/selling every day is institutional, and institutional investors/hedge funds are the ones constantly adjusting based on how data moves.


Second this.

All we know is that over time retail investors tend to underperform the markets, but that's true of sophisticated institutional investors too.

Plus: in 2022 when we had a bear year retail was the one buying the dips according to the news.


Eh, I like keeping an eye on S&P 500 VIX to get a sense of the current mood among oligarchs and their institutions.

I wouldn't use it for investment decisions, however.


Yes...NVDA closed at $188.15 yesterday, a price it was never at until October. It did hit $212.19 last week, but retreated.

After spring 2023, Nvidia stock seems to follow a pattern. It has a run-up prior to earnings, it beats the forecast, with the future forecast replaced with an even more amazing forecast, and then the stock goes down for a bit. It also has runs - it went up in the first half of 2024, as well as from April to now.

Who knows how much longer it can go on, but I remember 1999 and things were crazier then. In some ways things were crazier three years ago with FAANG salaries etc. There is a lot of capital spending, the question is are these LLMs with some tweaking worth the capital spending, and it's too early to tell that fully. Of course a big theoretical breakthrough like the utility of deep learning, or transformers or the like would help, but those only come along every few years (if at all).


Don’t think faang salaries came down meaningfully


buying power has, and usd


Nah, stocks up more than inflation


blow-off top


with cat ears


Thank you, I stand corrected on there being an event.


Comments are disabled. Were there any utter flubs like meta's AI cooking demo?


It's so strange that a site full of software developers reacts so harshly to the idea of robots. What exactly is it you people think you are building? You automate stuff for a living.

Is it okay to automate sales and customer service and marketing, but warehouse workers are where you draw the line? Do you have any idea how many jobs this industry has already "killed"?


why strange?

we realized that we don't want all the money/profit to circulate around the top 10 tech companies in the world where all of us are out of the equation...


...and then they came for me, and nobody was left


HN isn't a monoculture. Many people visit this website to hear the criticism from a diverse constituent of software developers. If you expect any unanimous conclusion, I'd argue your expectations are the strange one.

My foremost concern is that robots, particularly American-made ones, aren't ready for primetime yet. Human bodies solve problems that aren't easily automated even with a perfectly capable humanoid robot and AI-powered IK solver. I've worked in the computer vision and factory automation fields, and outside a completely automated redesign I don't think robots will significantly reduce headcount in this field.


It's so strange that a site full of entertainment workers reacts so harshly to the idea of Madame Web. What exactly is it you people think you are making?


Well, a the scale at which AI and other things are proceeding to replace humans just for the sake of saving money for few top earning people. It's horrible. I shall say you should ban AI for most of the things where it can help solve issues! Now that's upto to humanity how it want to keep people eating food or have a proper life


Not everyone of us works in industries that use software to replace people.


Why is it so important to you, personally, that humans are employed to do robots' jobs? Is that all we're worth to you?


Because I care when those people land on the street.

Unfortunately something I have seen happening a few times in our capitalism society where only shareholders happiness matters, hitting those quarter goals of exponential growth.

Not everyone thinks of others as disposable resources.


When has that way of thinking ever proven correct in the long run?


Depends on how much one cares for others besides themselves.


I see; that answers my question.


Software jobs replaced administrative white collar jobs where instead of the bureaucracy being human interaction and paper forms, it is computerized and encoded in malleable and evolving code.

Sales underwent consolidation where the same human interactions scaled to bigger deals. Customer service was outsourced. Marketing still remains a mysticism with no clear evidence of a return on investment.

This news topic is also a thinly veiled replacement outsourcing. The engineers involved will replace these roles. When the robots fail, it will most likely have foreign pilots taking control.

The barrier to entry only gets higher, and the people left behind are stuck in a donut hole.


Software ahas created a completely new economy and lot of new jobs. Could we say the same for robots?


And has meant that some professions are basically dead and fewer people are in lots of jobs. The folks that lose jobs aren't generally qualified for the jobs that opened and aren't always even located in the same country.

And that happens with a lot of advances. Creates but also takes away.


…Yes? Someone needs to design the robots, build the robots, administer and direct the robots, repair and maintain the robots, evaluate the performance of and improve upon the existing design of the robots… not to mention write the software that controls the robots in the first place, design the UI that users use to interface with the robots…


And the 1,000 people, who are replaced by 100 robot workers, are out of a job while the robot owners just get richer.

The robot revolution only benefits the people at the very top of the social stratum.


I’d guessing that the robot designers and warehouse workers are not going to be the same people.


This isn't special to robotics, though. Folks making software are generally not the folks that lost their jobs because of software either.


Pre WW2 the USA had skid rows and flop houses full of men who didn't make the cut to the new industrialized economy. People literally rented a rope to lean on for the night. WW2 changed things for the US where that was no longer a common thing.

People fear that we are heading back into that, with no plan other than 'things turned out fine last time this happened' ignoring the, you know, skid row, flop houses, etc and no idea what the magic jobfairy will bring us to be these new, magically appearing 'jobs to come'.


presumably if they become as popular as software, they would...


Yes.


Oh, they automate stuff. Just not their stuff


It's just an emotional reaction. I don't hear anyone bemoaning the cotton gin.


Sarcasm or comically on-the-nose bad example?

The cotton gin is the literal textbook example of a technology that ethically backfires and induces magnitudes greater suffering than what it was intended to obviate. It saved and expanded the institution of chattel slavery in the USA.


Ironic


this site scans your ports


still better than the pre-taped apple events. happy to see these products in action


Except the FCC literally threatened ABC over this


Read the comic again, your right to free speech has nothing to do with your privilege of using the public airwaves. The FCC chairs' threat to ABC is about the later, not about arresting executives or Kimmel like one would expect if you read the comic then your comment.


What was wrong with what Kimmel said?

Is it against the public good to question the motives of the president of the United States?

Is it misuse of public airwaves to point out the lack of evidence on hand to divine the political affiliations of this school shooter?


The comic is incomplete, the first amendment also protects content based discrimination in government interactions outside of certain exceptions. It does not require arrest.

For example in the granting of permits for marches.


No black color is insane.


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