Please. Posting my reply to you to the same comment below
My main concern is the lack of interest in the security problems being raised and the constant attempt at silencing of people raising issues or silence itself. Not just this bug but other links were provided on and the developers deliberate attempt at ignoring or or shutting down discussion. This isnt just about one bug. Dont be so naive. The developer is selling a product on a given feature, privacy and they neither care about it or have the ability to implement privacy properly. HAve you checked the other links? Have you seen all the other privacy issues raised and how the developer has responded to them?
What about the people who believe them that the browser is private when its not? What if genuinely someone relied on its privacy for their important work but in reality its not? This isnt about the developer. Its bigger than that and your ignorance on this is kind of part of the problem.
If your main primary marketing line is privacy focused and you ignore multiple issues raised and avoid any and all discussions about the privacy you promise then I think its valid to be concerned.
Your premise that people should be able to market their project with promises and not live up to them, especially privacy in this day and age, is the real cancer. And people like yourself pushing the acceptance of this behaviour is cancer too.
“security problems are just bugs” - Linus Torvalds
And he is 100% right on this. The whole thread, or even that it got posted here on in shows the problem. It was just a bug. The maintainer fixed it. Open source works. You can't throw the whole project under the bus just because maintainer made a mistake, that happened to he a security problem.
My main concern is the lack of interest in the security problems being raised and the constant attempt at silencing of people raising issues or silence itself. Not just this bug but other links were provided on and the developers deliberate attempt at ignoring or or shutting down discussion. This isnt just about one bug. Dont be so naive. The developer is selling a product on a given feature, privacy and they neither care about it or have the ability to implement privacy properly.
What about the people who believe them that the browser is private when its not? What if genuinely someone relied on its privacy for their important work but in reality its not? This isnt about the developer. Its bigger than that and your ignorance on this is kind of part of the problem.
First of all: I'm not using Zen browser, I don't know what it is, what it sells etc. Frankly I don't care about Zen browser and I've not read the other links, you provided.
I wrote my post, because there is a strange thing happening when security bugs are discovered: Everyone seems to panic. And in every discussion on such threads people will throw in their alternatives that should be used because this one is clearly not up for the job...
Threads like this are actively hurting the project and the cause. The bigger picture is, that this behavior hurts all alternative projects. There is a constant barrage of problems that the maintainera are dealing with and everyone thinks, his problem should be solved first. This is not how building software works. As a maintainer you can't help everyone every time. And people like you, that run around on the Internet and create the feeling that the maintainer is careless, can kill the project. The mega corps have PR teams, that deal with problems like this. Because they know how dangerous this can get. Even Firefox isn't big enough that they can absorb all the shit that is thrown at them. How can some little project on GitHub deal with people like you? They can't and they can loose their project because of this.
I don't want that. I want alternatives to rise and thrive. I want an internet where sixteen browser engines are competing against each other, not two, or three. So please stop shitting on the little projects, that try to do better. Instead contribute, fill issues, and enjoy that it is possible to build together better software.
I want an internet where sixteen browser engines are competing against each other, not two, or three and that lives up to the claims that they set out and use as marketing. So please stop shitting on people who raise legitimate concerns and when maintainers suppress or ignore information about these concerns raised.
You dont know how many PRs Ive submitted to open source projects. So maybe dont make shitty claims yourself. I think holding people accountable for the statements they make is pretty much whats happening here. Yet people like yourself think its ok that companies or products say one thing but then do another.
You are right, that I assumed a few things. That wasn't right, I'm sorry.
But: this doesn't change the validity of my points.
Also: I assumed good faith, when I engaged with you. That was a mistake. After I posted my stuff here, I saw that you opened another thread on hn about Zen browser. If I had seen this earlier, I wouldn't have engaged with you at all. You are throwing around FUD about zen browser. I don't know why you are doing this, and I don't need to find out. As I said elsewhere, I don't care about zen browser.
Posting FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) is the most useless type of content that gets posted. It gets upvotes, mostly because our brains are pretty much hardwired to engage with such content. I've sadly walked into that trap today.
I think it’s important to raise issues with project maintainers directly before publicizing issues and that’s been the case here however the devs are not really responding appropriately or showing a massive lack of incompetence.
For those not aware, Zen browser markets itself as privacy conscious browser however a serious backdoor has been found and multiple topics regarding its lack of privacy has been practically ignored.
It think it’s important to raise awareness of this as the browser is gaining popularity and it’s clear the devs lack the experience to secure the browser.
I do think it's important to raise issues like this, but I personally hope that it means people put more careful eyes on it and pitch in patches so the project succeeds rather than people avoiding it.
(totally unbiased opinion from having just switched to it after apparently not enough research and not wanting to continue the browser hunt)
> Not only could America have had better benefits than Europe but you guys chose over and over again not to yet it’s Europe’s fault.
The social welfare experiment has negative expectation. That's partly why the Europeans are importing young migrants from 3rd world countries who despise them -- they are running out of people who pay into the ponzi scheme.
I can't wait for Trump to exit NATO and show that the European king really had no clothes after all.
I can’t wait either. Because then Europe will get its shit together and reduce its need on America. Then you guys are truly fucked.
See the news about the 800 billion euro investment in Europe for Europe defense? Thanks America.
Also did you see the stock market? To think that tariffs would somehow benefit America. All you’re doing is isolating yourselves and forcing decoupli by. Let me know how your relationship with Russia goes. According to history, not very well :)
Its hilarious. Americans dont realise they are being played. All this BS from the MAGA people and trump are just shift attention away from the conversation to tax billionaires. You guys had been going in the right direction when it came to having the rich pay their fair share. Now look at what you are all talking about?
Your fighting each other. What a shitshow.
I really dont think America will recover from this and while the world will suffer as a result, I think in the long term, things will work out. There will be some major suffering but thats the way the world works. WW2 happened, a lot of suffering then peace. We had peace for too long, people forgot about suffering and now look at the world. Thanks America, you played yourself and are now bringing the rest of the world down with you. Rather than focusing on the right things, you are being played to argue with each other.
Trump got a plurality of the popular vote, not a majority. There are lots of people who didn't vote for this. Many people are now doing whatever they can to limit the damage, but it's an uphill battle and plenty damage will be done in the meantime. It's been very hard to watch this unfold.
I don't really see that re the tax on billionaires. It wasn't tightened up especially during the Biden admin and it would be surprising if the Trump lot went all lefty and cracked down. It seems much more of a culture war thing.
I think the rich are using culture ways to deflect attention away from that conversation. Americans have the richest people in government positions now, the most wealthiest cabinet ever assembled. They literally took over the government to make sure they fixed the debt problem without them having to pay for it and are attacking their own people. They literally elected a billionaire (though only recently) to lead their country. Thats how much they got played.
The fact remains, America needs to fix its debt problem. Its either through the rich or through the people. The rich seems to have their way at the moment.
Yes all with no regard for the impact on people, families and their needs. Lets just make sure to focus on the need of a billionaire to create more wealth. The only reason you think like this is because you think it wont happen to you. Oh boy, I hope it does, then I hope you remember this comment. I so hope the people in here defending this bs end up on the street and impacted like the many innocent people are today. I love hearing the stories of regret from MAGA people, only more to come.
The only reason you think he isnt wrong is because you think it wont impact you. I hope one day you find yourself in the same situation, even worse, then I hope you remember this comment.
Sometimes people like you need to go through what others do to realise how wrong you were. Some people have empathy to know. You seem like the former. Its not too late to see that Elon is nothing but a fraud though if you wish to.
AMD does not have a PE double of NVIDIA. PE is high because of amortisation of an acquisition. People on hackernews talk a lot but have no idea what they talk about. You might know how to write javascript or some other language but clearly you have not read the earnings reports or financials of AMD and probably alot of the other companies you talk about. So please stop spreading nonsense.
Can we syop giving this guy attention? What a ridiculous post he is nothing but another VC that will
Write anything to support himself, his investments and other VCs and people here who praise him for his ‘insight’ are not helping.
What a ridiculous post that provides no value or insight.
My main concern is the lack of interest in the security problems being raised and the constant attempt at silencing of people raising issues or silence itself. Not just this bug but other links were provided on and the developers deliberate attempt at ignoring or or shutting down discussion. This isnt just about one bug. Dont be so naive. The developer is selling a product on a given feature, privacy and they neither care about it or have the ability to implement privacy properly. HAve you checked the other links? Have you seen all the other privacy issues raised and how the developer has responded to them?
What about the people who believe them that the browser is private when its not? What if genuinely someone relied on its privacy for their important work but in reality its not? This isnt about the developer. Its bigger than that and your ignorance on this is kind of part of the problem.