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extremely likely. it was an attack with 1 drone right? normally they would send a swarm


officially, ukraine could not use them on their own. only russia had the "launch codes". part of the reason why they gave them up in the first place. not sure how much of a problem that is in practice. in any case, ukraine would have also needed the resources to maintain them which is no easy task. so I guess the answer is: we'll never know if it had any impact.


not sure there is much point to this. currently no model is even at the level of primary school math. it will take decades until it can win a gold medal in maths. it won't happen overnight. it will happen slowly. will they still give out the prize in 20 years from now, when it won't seem like such a breakthrough?


> (translated) They approve the interim request. They say that the Swedish Transport Agency must give consent for Tesla to pick up the license plates from the manufacturer of license plates.

they will not be delivered. Tesla was allowed to pick them up.


> and just continue developing it and produce a new MS-ChatGPT based on it

"just" push the state of the art. unlikely, even if they have access to everything. they need the people and even then it's unlikely.


at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.


Sam wins either way and holds all the power with Microsoft’s backing. The only question is whether OpenAI survives (it will not if Sam and Microsoft go elsewhere) and who gets purged post coup attempt.


In the left corner, Microsoft and the guy that founded Loopt.

In the right corner the company that created and still completely controls GPT-4.

Why are you so sure about who wins this face off?


Because you can't train and operate models at scale with ideology. Costs money and compute. Without funding and compute, OpenAI is a bunch of smart folks with laptops talking AI safety in an office until the cashflow dries up.

People who want to get paid or are loyal to Sam will follow Sam. Microsoft is clearly behind Sam. "Whoever holds the gold makes the rules."

EDIT: gkoberger said it far better, and captures the value beyond the physical and fiat components of the power struggle: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38337782

"I don't think he's on his own. All those people he helped in the past have come out to support him. Almost his entire company (minus the board) has publicly supported him. His team is currently hosting him at the office with hopes to reinstate him. The CEO who temporarily replaced him has publicly and privately supported his return. OpenAI's investors are backing him. His cofounder quit in solidarity.

Turns out the secret to getting through something like this is to simply have spent the past 15+ years genuinely helping everyone you've ever come across."


> Because you can't train and operate models at scale with ideology. Costs money and compute. Without funding and compute, OpenAI is a bunch of smart folks with laptops talking AI safety in an office until the cashflow dries up.

Without its exclusive relationship to Microsoft, there are other people with access to money and compute that would like a leg up in the enterprise AI space that Microsoft would be taking a major, even if (optimistically) temporary, step back from its leading position in by terminating its relationship with OpenAI.


OpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals.

The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.


OpenAI is not a "thing", the workers are a thing. OpenAI is nothing if the engineers/scientists leave the company to work somewhere else if Altman leaves. According to reports, the head of research and other senior staff have said that they will resign if Altman is not restored as CEO.


Yes that’s somewhat correct. If he really has the loyalty of a huge percentage of the staff and they leave to follow him you’re right.

But you might want to question why you’re so sure that’s the case. People talk about that a lot but it’s pretty rare to actually see that happen.

The usual way things like this go is most people go huh how about that and go back to work at their job the next day and think about their family and weekend plans.

In his case it’s especially odd given his oddly thin track record of actual success. He seems incredibly good at ingratiating himself with extremely powerful people, but there’s no evidence at all of him being a popular leader or particularly good at building and executing on anything.

Ask yourself how he got his last two jobs. He wasn’t exactly voted in due to widespread popular support.

In both cases however he departed abruptly amidst what looks like interpersonal conflict.


> But you might want to question why you’re so sure that’s the case. People talk about that a lot but it’s pretty rare to actually see that happen.

Difference here is OpenAI is not Google or FB with tens of thousands of employees bulk of which are engineers most likely not be able to get current level of compensation in case of mass layoff/resignations. OpenAI is couple of hundred people and are highly rated due to perceived level of success. So it is opposite of risk to follow the leader who has gotten them high level of compensation so far.

> He seems incredibly good at ingratiating himself with extremely powerful people

You seem to think it is negative. For most people including OpenAI employees it is great advantage to be working for/with him.


They have the GPUs and there's a GPU shortage already. What do you think is going to happen when they lose that access in $10bn compute? Given the shortage and other vendors being mostly locked up already, there's not much OpenAI can do. And that's not considering that the board is facing immense pressure internally starting from the very temporary CEO that they put in place two days ago to various members of senior leadership threatening to resign (with many employees being paid in options dependent on valuations that the board just destroyed). The board may have de jure power but that is nothing without the de facto power associated with it.


Microsoft is going to walk away from the most strategic deal they’ve made in a decade to save the Loopt guy’s ego?

I feel like everyone should be forced to watch a few Game of Thrones episodes before commenting. Organizations act in their own self interest. Leaders are convinced they’re irreplaceable all the way to the gallows steps.

If Sam can sabotage OpenAI or if the remaining people can’t capably run the organization then sure people will walk away. But if they keep things from falling apart nobody is going to give a fuck.


Well, now we know that once any putative superintelligence learns how to wave money around, we're doomed. All the preparatory "alignment" isn't going to save us from our own greed.


I mean, obviously? Any distant, hypothetical, unlikely AI apocalypse is going to need a lot of willing human accomplices.


An apocalypse needs power. That power can be offering money to humans, but doesn't have to be: other (thankfully not yet existent) possibilities include hacking a single clanking replicator, as would offering rewards to unrelated non-human uplift project subjects.


GPT-4 costs insane amounts of money


No, not necessarily any more than Steve Jobs returning to Apple made it worse.


Jobs didn't return to Apple after a couple days


In a sense, Apple returned to Jobs, in order to acquire NeXTSTEP.


What’s up with comparing altman to steve jobs? He’s well behind him on the scale of leadership, inspiration, vision, and not to mention he had little to no contribution to ai, other than a crypto style aggressive marketing campaign, sprinkled with fud fomo and gaslighting.


Agreed. The cult of personality seems to have a strong grip on the US zeitgeist.

Technology is the new religion and Musk/Altman are the new messiahs, with Jobs and Gates as the patron saints.


It’s mostly just this site and the SV delusion it’s connected with. I’d bet if you ask random Americans, they would have no idea who Altman even is.


Nah, you can replace Sam with a deity of choice depending on the group, ex. Taylor Swift.

As organized religion recedes, people fill the vacuum with gods of their own making.


It’s funny how those who most decry cults end up sounding so cultish.

The opposite of cult worship is NOT cult antipathy.


While sounding pithy, this is logically flawed. The opposite of theism is atheism, not agnosticism.


Disagree. Both theism and atheism assert absolute knowledge of the unknowable. The opposite is not asserting such knowledge.


Yeah the abrupt vibe shift on HN with regards to altman is pretty odd. Suddenly he's a Jobs-esque product visionary?


Undoubtedly, there are a lot of HN posters with a vested interest in OpenAI's continued success… Talk is cheap when it doesn't affect your bottom line.


That’s an interesting point. Many folks may have started companies around openai’s product, thus defending their turf. Probably fearing they might be freed if the new ceo decides to lock api access.


I remember when people loathed him on here. Worldcoin etc?

He seems slimy as hell and I’m giving Ilya the benefit of the doubt.


I think you're reading into it too much.

It's not a comparison of personal talent.

It's simply the best known case of a highly visible CEO of a popular, groundbreaking company being ousted by the board.

So the comparison is natural. Apple and OpenAI are definitely similarly groundbreaking companies in the eye of the consumer.


This is a site run by YCombinator. Altman is Paul Graham's bud, and YCombinator alumni.


Not saying you're wrong, but the analogy is easy to draw. Both are CEOs, both were ousted, both are charismatic, Apple is the most valuable company in history, and OpenAI is among the fastest growing in history.


Charismatic? Altman? Hmmmm


Jobs are so influential, Sam has his own kind of charisma and persona, as same as Musk.


Using analogy is often fallacy.


I don’t believe so. Just get rid of Mira, Hellen and Tasha and they’re back to being golden.


Lol, Adam stays?


Good point.


is the battery not sealed? what if a random splash gets in? battery is positioned quite low


cars designed to drive 100s of thousands of miles aren't susceptible to random splashes even if the battery is low.

I think the most likely explanation here is that the battery compartment was damaged in a way that allows water intrusion, and then they drove in extremely wet weather which splashed into the compartment.


sounds like this is not the case, at least for tesla?


Seems like the Teslas in that video do better than most ICE vehicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmm7AfLMAqY


Crazy that people would do that voluntarily!

Interestingly I wonder if it's an issue of just a difference between the two designs in terms of scenarios its optimized for (a.k.a. there's a tradeoff).

If the EV's skateboard battery water seal is functioning perfectly then EV will perform well, perhaps better than a traditional design ICE/EV/PHEV platform.

If the EV's skateboard battery water seal has been compromised, then due to its relatively low placement, a lower than normal water levels may cause significant damages.

Water Damaged Tesla Model S Battery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_iz7gcXPUc


what is the max puddle depth for a tesla?


> quantum dots are semiconductor particles a few nanometres in size, having optical and electronic properties that differ from those of larger particles as a result of quantum mechanical effects (wikipedia)

why chemistry and not physics? how do they draw the line?


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