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Both cities should pull their subsidy packages. Amazon negotiated in bad faith, under false pretenses. The conditions under which any subsidies were offered no longer apply.


Read the subsidy agreements that the cities actually put out. They were clearly aware of exactly what they were getting even if the general public was not.


Could you state what the false pretenses were, and how those conditions no longer apply? All you have here is a dogmatic assertion with no supporting information. Often that is done by people who have strong beliefs but no basis for them, so if you have a basis, stating it can prevent you from getting lumped in with the "dogmatic unreality" people.


Uh, that there will only be 25,000 jobs, and not the 50,000 promised.


If the subsidies are per job, is that a problem? Pay half as much for half as many jobs - seems reasonable to me. Doesn't seem like "false pretenses" in a way that materially affects the deal.


It might be nice if the subsidies were granted “per job”, but it seems as though they weren’t.

Also, it’s not yet public what these cities promised, but how do you “half build” new transit infrastructure and such?


Even if they are "per job", the per job price was still based on a total of 50,000 jobs.

If you go to Bob's widget factory and place an order for 50,000 widgets, you'll likely get a different per widget price than if you place an order for 25,000 widgets.

If you say at first that you want 50,000 and Bob starts making preparations for that many, then at the last minute you say "Nah, I only want 25,000", Bob is rightfully going to be pissed and you're going to pay a higher per-widget price if your order isn't cancelled altogether.


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> Are you just an Amazon shill who jumps in to try and suppress any criticism of them?

This breaks the guidelines, so please leave it out of your comments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


> Are you just an Amazon shill who jumps in to try and suppress any criticism of them?

No, I'm not. Are you the kind of commenter who accuses everyone who disagrees with you of being a shill, so that you can control the conversation? (There's at least as much evidence of that than there is of me being a shill...)


There have been stories about this for months. It's reasonable to assume that most people reading and commenting on them are familiar with the history of this long running story and the well publicized last minute change in the terms of the agreement by Amazon in the last week.

If you are honestly unaware of this and need it explained to you, then in the future take some time to familiarize yourself with the context of what's going on or ask some questions before you jump in and start insulting people.


I was rather careful not to insult you. I merely said that your style resembled that of obsessive ranters and nut cases; I didn't accuse you of being one.

You came at least as close to being insulting as I did. In the future, take some time to familiarize yourself with peoples' posting history before you jump in and question whether they are shills.


A parallel post to this one, by imgabe, has been flag-killed. While I don't agree with the post, I had to look very carefully at my history in this thread to see whether he was right in what I said. His post had enough of a basis that I think flag-killing it was unwarranted.


Well, I appreciate your saying so. I apologise for my part in this discussion going off the rails.


Well... there was probably blame enough to go around to both sides.

Apology accepted... and offered in return.




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