Can you point to a distro that does this vs. using eudev? I mean, you might be right, but I haven't found any, and I think the reason for this is that there are subtler inter-dependencies that require additional workarounds:
> > Also, AFAIR the connection between systemd and udev doesn't really go deeper than the fact that they're sharing the same upstream tarball. It is still possible to build and use udev without systemd
> But that's not really the case operationally, and it's why eudev was forked away from it for Gentoo.
I believe the reason for eudev is to avoid some of those other unwanted changes from upstream udev that broke udev scripts. Which to me is a fine technical justification, but not really related to another udev implementation having a build dependency on libsystemd. The udevd package seems maintained so I really don't understand what operational issues that comment is getting at.
Interesting. I didn't realize this was a supported option, but the Gentoo wiki also seems to agree with you [1], so I may need to walk back some of my frustration around this.
I still have concerns that having a shared codebase makes it easier for interdependencies to materialize later, but if they've managed to keep it as decoupled as is claimed here, then I'm pleasantly surprised, and also annoyed that the communication around this issue has been confusing enough to lead me to an apparently incorrect conclusion.
Most of the systemd components actually work without systemd as the init. I've used udev and nspawn without systemd-init.
As long as you don't have a problem with libsystemd existing, most things work fine without systemd-init. Mainly systemd-journal and systemd-oomd both require systemd-init.
The people that makes distro without systemd have users that scan the filesystem and get crazy if they found the name systemd in the filesystem. I can say the same for the devs also. So we have hardcore-hate distros that "liberates" packages and the dependency of the unused library. Better give that time to make the distro better imho
> > Also, AFAIR the connection between systemd and udev doesn't really go deeper than the fact that they're sharing the same upstream tarball. It is still possible to build and use udev without systemd
> But that's not really the case operationally, and it's why eudev was forked away from it for Gentoo.
https://lwn.net/Articles/778547/