> Not irrelevant - this is the comparison we're talking about the nature of the difference between Trevor Milton and Elon Musk. If you ignore contradictory evidence because it doesn't support your position that's just cherry picking.
What difference? Unless of course, the case of Tesla's deceptive advertising of its beta FSD system putting the lives of drivers at risk and killing them or others [0] is 'far more serious' than Nikola's deceptive advertising of their whole business. Then yes, I agree on that difference and both must be under very close investigation by the regulators.
More specifically, I'm sure you should also realize that I was criticizing both of them from the start and not 'cherry picking' or siding with any company or person, unlike you mentioning Musk's other companies which that is completely irrelevant.
> They've also shipped more features toward this goal over time which is what they said they'd do.
Despite this, it is still unreliable [1] and the safety risks still stands, even when the driver is behind the wheel and is attentive of what is in front of them.
Highlighting these risks is extremely important such that it is the difference between life or death and it can be from a malfunction in the software that controls the car.
> Do the above quotes sound like some neutral descriptor to you?
Excuse me?
It is an objective fact. Isn't it? [2] [3] Why do you feel offended of this fact? I'm sure the customers will listen to them because they think they know what they are talking about? Don't they?
>>> Con-artists will mimic the people that actually know their shit. [4]
You claimed deceptive advertising - now you’re switching to a different argument about safety and risk, which I think is also wrong. None of your stuff is in good faith though so there’s no point to more discussion.
> You claimed deceptive advertising - now you’re switching to a different argument about safety and risk, which I think is also wrong.
It is both as I have always said. So you think it's worth putting the lives of other drivers at risk whilst using beta software that was deceptively advertised as "Full Self Driving" (FSD) by Tesla Inc. even when it is shown to be still not ready, than a company (Nikola Motors Corp.) and their CEO that is also deceptively advertising their entire products and technologies to investors?
What is the difference exactly on the lies and fraudulent claims made by both of them? There are none.
So your claim that:
> Elon Musk is obviously different. [0]
Is false. There are no exceptions.
Perhaps the only difference is that one involves a risk of death which that is irreversible and 'far more serious' than the other which I believe that both companies and their CEOs should be under serious investigation over their claims in their products.
Read all the comments again, since at this point you have ignored all of them since you are still defending the indefensible.
> None of your stuff is in good faith though so there’s no point to more discussion.
Are you now able to admit that the advertising of the FSD system and the fact that it is no where near 'Full Self Driving' capability which was bought in by Tesla customers also does not work or function as advertised?
On top of that, using a beta product that may get confused of malfunction poses a serious risk of death and has killed drivers or other passengers in the past, needs to be under through serious investigation by the regulators?
What difference? Unless of course, the case of Tesla's deceptive advertising of its beta FSD system putting the lives of drivers at risk and killing them or others [0] is 'far more serious' than Nikola's deceptive advertising of their whole business. Then yes, I agree on that difference and both must be under very close investigation by the regulators.
More specifically, I'm sure you should also realize that I was criticizing both of them from the start and not 'cherry picking' or siding with any company or person, unlike you mentioning Musk's other companies which that is completely irrelevant.
> They've also shipped more features toward this goal over time which is what they said they'd do.
Despite this, it is still unreliable [1] and the safety risks still stands, even when the driver is behind the wheel and is attentive of what is in front of them.
Highlighting these risks is extremely important such that it is the difference between life or death and it can be from a malfunction in the software that controls the car.
> Do the above quotes sound like some neutral descriptor to you?
Excuse me?
It is an objective fact. Isn't it? [2] [3] Why do you feel offended of this fact? I'm sure the customers will listen to them because they think they know what they are talking about? Don't they?
>>> Con-artists will mimic the people that actually know their shit. [4]
Remember this?
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...
[1] https://twitter.com/JordanTeslaTech/status/14184133078625853...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Milton
[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27999706