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It seems you are trapped in the idea that humanness is defined by brain function. Which is obviously wrong to me, but I am not interested in expanding the discussion.

Also it is important whether it is a consequence of the mother's voluntary behavior, because if it is not then the human embryo would not have end up inside her body. So yes, it matters.

Thanks, I am just saying atheist can be against abortion. No more argument with me is needed.



As an atheist it would seem dualism would be out of bounds so given that your brain is you in a very literal sense what other factor do you believe defines humanness? I think therefore I am seems like the strongest possible argument here.


No. Brain alone does not define humanness. You can do a few thought experiments, such as:

lab-grown full function brain, would it be treated as a human?

lab-grown baby with brain development stopped at day x, would it be treated simply as a pile of meat?

adult after accident left with x% brain function, would it be treated simply as a pile of meat?

Just use your brain, you will see it is not that easy.


A fully functional lab grown brain would BE a human regardless of how it would be treated.

If the baby or the human had a sufficiently damaged or deficient brain it WOULD be a pile of meat. If they weren't treated as such it would be because of an emotional connection as opposed to a logical reason. This is all you've posited in this comment. Emotional situations designed to confuse the issue. I am using my brain, specifically to cut through the fog.




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