Vaccines work, they work extremely well. You are literally making it up.
Restrictions have come and gone across the world as case numbers and hospital capacity go up and down. Most European countries have plans to drop mandates or are in the process as case numbers go down. This logic is repeating pretty much everywhere.
Your post is a textbook example of a slippery slope fallacy. I just went to a night club yesterday for the first time in two years - completely allowed by my government, in line with lowering case numbers, in a country with far less democratic tradition than Canada.
Stop the paranoia and understand the nobody's out to get you.
>Vaccines work, they work extremely well. You are literally making it up.
If it so then why there have been so many breakthrough infections ? (30-40% of the new infections for delta at the 60-70% vaccination rate and 80% for omicron at 80% vaccination rate, and that is as reported which is given lighter symptoms means severe undercounting) While the vaccines failure to control the infectious spread has been obvious from the publicly available numbers at least since the Spring of 2021, that is bona-fide scientific result which naturally took several months (
it is about delta, and with omicron situation is significantly worse)
" A person who was fully vaccinated and then had a ‘breakthrough’ Delta infection was almost twice as likely to pass on the virus as someone who was infected with Alpha."
"Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus."
Vaccines cut down the hospitalization and death rate 20 to 60-fold. They reduce transmission by a substantial amount. That means they work. Why are you nitpicking and purposely ignoring the titanic scientific achievement of developing cheap vaccines, deployed by the billions in the span of a year, that literally avoided tens of millions of deaths?
It's clear you're not here to make good-faith arguments.
>Vaccines cut down the hospitalization and death rate 20 to 60-fold.
Yes, for very specific groups of people. For the majority though it did practically nothing which makes forced vaccination of that majority immoral and illegal.
>They reduce transmission by a substantial amount.
No. As the numbers and the link I provided show.
>literally avoided tens of millions of deaths?
Forced vaccination of the very low risk majority has nothing to do with it. Even more - if those wasted vaccine doses were instead used to vaccinate high-risk people in poor countries then even more lives would have been saved.
> Yes, for very specific groups of people. For the majority though it did practically nothing which makes forced vaccination of that majority immoral and illegal.
You're discounting the effects of long-covid. You discount the health burden of millions of people catching this disease at the same time. You discount the long-term effects and the fact that a substantial amount of the healthy population has symptoms 3 and 6 months after catching the disease. You discount that perfectly healthy young people have died. You discount the effects on the workforce and the rates of permanently disabled. You discount the hospital burden and the fact that saturated hospitales mean triaging and people dying of easily treatable causes.
> Forced vaccination of the very low risk majority has nothing to do with it.
You don't have a right to not be vaccinated to participate in society. Your profound ignorance on this as if the standard vaccination schedule for children doesn't have dozens of vaccines necessary to reach the modern standards of quality of life means you have nothing to add to this.
Your arguments are just one ridiculous, ignorance-ridden point after another.
It's a good thing that the people making most of these decisions, unlike you, have century-years of experience on these topics and have assessed the health burden on the population.
And most of us consider that a disease that's the 3rd to 4th highest cause of death, even at this point in the pandemic, is worth treating with extreme measures, lest we lose half a decade of life expectancy, not even getting into the effects for the survivors.
>You're discounting the effects of long-covid. ... You discount the hospital burden and the fact that saturated hospitales mean triaging and people dying of easily treatable causes.
vaccinating low risk people has no effect on all of this. The close to 0 risk of hospitalization becoming 20 times closer to 0 doesn't affect the total hospitalization numbers, at best it is a noise.
> if the standard vaccination schedule for children doesn't have dozens of vaccines
i have said nothing about the well proven working vaccines. You're advancing anti-vax movement position by mixing together the working vaccines with the zero effect for the most people covid vaccines.
>century-years of experience on these topics
the covid is 2 years old. The mRNA covid vaccines is even less than that.
> is worth treating with extreme measures
wasting resources on the measures that don't work makes things naturally worse.
Vaccines work, they work extremely well. You are literally making it up.
Restrictions have come and gone across the world as case numbers and hospital capacity go up and down. Most European countries have plans to drop mandates or are in the process as case numbers go down. This logic is repeating pretty much everywhere.
Your post is a textbook example of a slippery slope fallacy. I just went to a night club yesterday for the first time in two years - completely allowed by my government, in line with lowering case numbers, in a country with far less democratic tradition than Canada.
Stop the paranoia and understand the nobody's out to get you.