If you earn below a certain amount income and don't buy and taxed goods, then you're not paying any taxes. Given this, can you say the government isn't confiscating people's money "against their will", because you can theoretically avoid it by staying under the income tax limit and only buying tax-exempt items?

Of course I can, as long as the taxes collected are according to the law, that’s not confiscation. That’s payment you make to the corporation that provides certain services.

The best part? You have direct say in how much it should be collected or not collected.

But the wording choices makes me think that this is not about what it is claimed to be. That start sounding like libertarian agenda pushing, which is fine but it’s very manipulative.

>Of course I can, as long as the taxes collected are according to the law, that’s not confiscation.

>But the wording choices makes me think that this is not about what it is claimed to be. That start sounding like libertarian agenda pushing, which is fine but it’s very manipulative.

We can debate whether taxation counts as "confiscation" or not, but the argument works just as well if you replace "confiscating" with "taxing", ie. '... can you say the government isn't taxing people's money "against their will", because ...'

>The best part? You have direct say in how much it should be collected or not collected.

So what, if you get to vote on it, it doesn't count as being "against your will"?

You can say that the government is taxing people against their will only if you can say that Amazon is charging the agreed price on your card on every purchase against my will. I prefer free services but my money is still being confiscated on every purchase.

Anyway, let's not pretend that the governments are aliens that you may choose to vote for or not. You can also participate in the government, population and the government are not different entities even in places like Cuba or DPRK(but their participation frameworks are really shitty, requiring stuff like obedience and close relationship).

> You can say that the government is taxing people against their will only if you can say that Amazon is charging the agreed price on your card on every purchase against my will. I prefer free services but my money is still being confiscated on every purchase.

You can realistically opt out of amazon purchases. Opting out of a country isn't realistically an option due to citizenship/immigration laws.

>Anyway, let's not pretend that the governments are aliens that you may choose to vote for or not. You can also participate in the government, population and the government are not different entities even in places like Cuba or DPRK(but their participation frameworks are really shitty, requiring stuff like obedience and close relationship).

Okay but what does being able to participate in government have anything to do with whether something's "against my will" or not? I might have had a chance to influence that will, but that changes nothing about the fact that the government's will is against mine.