…exactly what they said? They were saying they are not going to invade as late as February 20, 2022. Then they said their objectives are total conquest on February 24, 2022 in a public TV address. They threatened nukes (everyone from Putin himself to TV pundits) for months until Xi publicly chided him.

But I am impressed how one can take perhaps the most morally unambiguous conflict in the century so far and still make it an uncertainty.

I guess that part when Gaddafi promised to massacre the revolting cities street by street got many frowning.

Your intel is six years out of date:

https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-detai...

Of course, those of us who pay any attention whatsoever already knew that back in 2011.

Are you refering to Libya?

If so, you mean that Gadaffi was a saint or something?

Sainthood is not the standard to which any politician is held.

>how else are we going to keep up the image that we're on the side of the good guys?

Everything we are seeing and hearing from the people in the liberated areas seems to be working pretty well. I guess they bought into the narrative too.

Of course theyre happy, whats your point

> Of course theyre happy, whats your point

I'd guess it's more the stories of the Russians raping and torturing them that is making it so obviously unambiguous that the Ukrainians are the good guys.