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>Caught the russian troll

Calling someone a Russian troll for offering an accurate and dispassionate recitation of history is offensive and defamatory. Reasonable, decent and intelligent people know how to disagree and offer conflicting opinions without flinging ad hominen attacks, which also run afoul of the rules of HN.

>Russia is afraid because countries joining NATO means Russians can't invade them.

Or perhaps they saw what happened to Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. When the Soviets tried to install their bases in Cuba in 1962, we threatened all out nuclear war to prevent them from stationing their missiles and troops on our border. They wisely retreated.

>NATO is the main reason Eastern Europe isn't all conquered by Russia by now. With all the usual genociding that goes on whenever russia conquers somebody.

Russia has spent the last 15 months trying to conquer the eastern 20% of Ukraine. No matter how dastardly you think Russia is, it is delusional to believe they have the military might, let alone the desire, to conquer "all of Eastern Europe".

For the record, I don't think Russia is "the good guys" - any more than we are. There are no good guys in geopolitics, only bad guys. That is why if we want a peaceful world we need a neutral, universal standard of international law that applies equally to the actions of all countries. Unless we want world war 3 and nuclear holocaust, the current "rules based international order" that allows NATO/US to bomb and invade whoever they want while branding others who do so evil villains is not sustainable.



> Or perhaps they saw what happened to Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. When the Soviets tried to install their bases in Cuba in 1962, we threatened all out nuclear war to prevent them from stationing their missiles and troops on our border. They wisely retreated.

None of those countries have nuclear stock piles or strike capabilities of Russia, no one is invading Russia because of this reason.

> Russia has spent the last 15 months trying to conquer the eastern 20% of Ukraine. No matter how dastardly you think Russia is, it is delusional to believe they have the military might, let alone the desire, to conquer "all of Eastern Europe".

They keep talking like they are mere minutes from launching an attack on all of Europe itself, at least weekly on tv.

Do they have the capability? no, its clear they barely have the capability to project power past 300km of there borders, but that does not mean that they don't want to.

> For the record, I don't think Russia is "the good guys" - any more than we are.

The Russians are the invaders, the US and most of the rest of the western world are helping the invaded resist the invasion.

This war is as clear cut as WW2, theres bad guys, and good guys.

> That is why if we want a peaceful world we need a neutral, universal standard of international law that applies equally to the actions of all countries. Unless we want world war 3 and nuclear holocaust, the current "rules based international order" that allows NATO/US to bomb and invade whoever they want while branding others who do so evil villains is not sustainable.

This will never happen when you have countries that can unilaterally ignore agreements they sign because they have the threat of nuclear weapons up their sleeve. Honestly, if you want any kinda semblance of a world that doesn't have insane levels of nuclear proliferation then you must root for Ukraine to win.

Otherwise why else would anyone give up nuclear weapons (like Ukraine did, when they gave up thousands of weapons and there strike capability), if the world will not help them when people will nukes do want to invade.




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