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Huawei Releases Ultra 9 MateBook X Pro with 40W TDP in 980g (huawei.com)
26 points by xnhbx on April 11, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 33 comments


12" MacBook

I'm surprised Apple never re-released the 12" MacBook with an M-series chip.

Since that was the defining moment when Apple realized they needed to create their own computer cpu (M-series).

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For context, in 2015 Apple release for the first time both the:

- 12" MacBook (running Intel)

- iPad Pro (running a beefed up A-series chip)

The form factor of these two devices was near identical.

But the speed and power consumption was hugely different.

People constantly complained how slow and hot the Intel 12" MacBook was.

While the iPad Pro (with it's beefed up A-series) had super long battery life, fast and cool.

That's when Apple realized that Intel wasn't going to be able to produce the CPUs they wanted and went all in on creating M-Series.


The specs look pretty good on paper (super light, low TDP, decent CPU, lots of storage and RAM) and the price is pretty low: the top level model (32 GB RAM and 2TB storage) comes out to a bit less 2k euros. Of course it'd be more expensive when it actually comes to the EU for sale, but still, the pricing is pretty competitive.


Any information how well it plays with linux?


Past Matebooks have had OK support. If I remember correctly, there's some packages that provide some of the functionality of Huawei's window drivers (third-party though).


i would have preferred AMD Ryzen


how are they using Intel Core Ultra 9?


They must be running it at its minimum frequency all the time. And/or lying about the TDP. I'd assume both


The first point you raises goes with the second. Some obvious prejudice showing through.

It's already been tested to maintain 40W by third-parties...


No, my comment was entirely based on the fact that it apparently uses significantly less power than the CPU alone is rated for.


They have had a license to import Intel chips since the ban, I think it just got renewed too.


very carefully


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Ugh, enough with this


It's really tiring; political comments on here have become reddit-level.


There is literally a guideline specifically about this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit.


Huh, well regarding the snide political remarks that always follow mention of certain countries (i.e., non-Western) it has. Maybe we need a new guideline for that.

I mean, can we just chat about the technical aspects of Neom or MateBooks or whatever without all the political stuff? There's other communities for that.


> Maybe we need a new guideline for that.

So, don't say anything demeaning about China or the CCP unless you write at least two (for now anyway...) paragraphs?

Sounds like a reasonably good idea. 500 social credits for you.


There is literary a guideline specifically about the top comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

Or how about:

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.


Perfect, thanks for pointing that out!


Since I live in America, I'd rather the Chinese government spy on me than the American government.


First one, then the other.

I wouldn't go for the subscription until you're near a covert international police station though. You're really just not getting the totalitarianism for your money.


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> so there is nothing stopping foxconn workers fro installing spyware on the factory floor.

Which would mean that Tim Cook would be getting a late-night phone call from an alphabet soup agency explaining to him in no uncertain terms that Apple's days of manufacturing devices in China are over, starting five minutes ago.

There's a business interest in not compromising hardware made in PRC for foreign companies. That doesn't exist when the CCP controls the company too.


It's an interesting theory. Doing such a thing (Apple stopping to manufacture in China abruptly) would severely disrupt Apple manufacturing and sales, and probably tank its stock price while they take years to ramp up manufacturing in alternative places in India. Such an event would have big ramifications for the US stock markets and wider economy. Do you think the US government as a whole would accept the risk of a stock market run by ruining a $2.6 trillion market cap company?


> would severely disrupt Apple manufacturing and sales, and probably tank its stock price

And the whole thing becoming public knowledge wouldn't cause that? Anyway... realistically they'd take some "measures" to make sure this never happens again while staying in the same factories and then probably accelerate their plan to move somewhere else long term.


It might not be "abrupt" (was taking poetic license with "five minutes ago") but there would probably be tremendous pressure to accelerate the creation of production capacity in countries less adversarial to the United States and its allies.


The late-night phone calls would be about the US government losing the ability to spy on its own citizens.


well the silicon is fabbed in Taiwan if you consider that China. Electronics are assembled in China but components originate from all over the world. Common processors are often designed in the US.... that has also been known to do a little spying.

Which is not to downplay the awesome ability of China to manufacture just about anything with incredible precision and quality.

I'm surprised Huawei used Intel with management engine after China banned it across all government machines. The Kirin 9000s might well have been a better choice. Who are they selling this to exactly, and how did they get access to intel parts?


> I'm surprised Huawei used Intel with management engine after China banned it across all government machines. The Kirin 9000s might well have been a better choice. Who are they selling this to exactly, and how did they get access to intel parts?

That's why I am confused about all the hate for Huawei, bc if you go down the spyware + manufacturing rabbit hole, it doesnt take long until you start to observe some inconsistencies in the narrative.


> so there is nothing stopping foxconn workers fro installing spyware on the factory floor.

Secure Boot might... in any case it's far from trivial as you seem to be implying. Also one would assume that Dell, HP, Apple might have QC and stuff like that.


Curious you don't think Apple does supply chain checks on its hardware?


But the entire supply chain is in China.


Taiwan?


I think you're talking about manufacturing (chip fab) in Foxconn in Taiwan. But this is the case for the intel chips in Huawei as well.

I am talking about assembly (supply chain), which is in China.


I source my personal electronics from South Korea and Taiwan very deliberately.




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