This was so charming. I wish my parents had more recorded content of us, but it was a rare day that someone would get out the camcorder, and even rarer that the files would get transposed anywhere. But I do think there are some really old hard drives (anywhere from 10G to 40G) sitting somewhere in a garage, full of JPEGs of us.
It is something that is funny to me. By the time VHS camcorders came out, 8mm film cameras were much smaller. Almost point-n-shoot sizes. Then VHS came out with the shoulder mount bricks. It took forever for VHS-C palmcorders to make them much more portable.
A Super 8 cartridge is only good for 2.5 minutes at 24 fps and 3:20 at 18 though, going to 120 (or even 20-30) minutes was quite a trade up.
> Then VHS came out with the shoulder mount bricks. It took forever for VHS-C palmcorders to make them much more portable.
The first VHS camcorder (a combined camera and recorder unit) was VHS-C. The JVC GR-C1, released 1984, made famous in Back to the Future.
Full size (VHS) shoulder units actually came a bit later as a lower cost option, and they sold more readily into the 90s. Likely in part because if you were portability and not cost conscious you opted for 8mm (video tape) at that time, 150 minutes and superior audio, slightly better PQ (color).
Prior to that if you wanted to record VHS on location you carried a 10 kg “portable” VTR on your hip with a shoulder strap and a cable to the camera that was another 5 kg.
But in those days (late 70s-80s) 1/2” Betamax and 3/4” U-matic(!) were more common for portable use (didn’t help that the early VHS portables were bulkier and heavier than the competition).
Even after they stop being really sold, people still used them because the convenience of take it out of the recording device put it in your player should not be understated.
> VHS was released in 1976. VHS-C was released in 1982.
So? The first commercial camcorder came out in 1983 (Betamax). VHS-C predates the camcorder of any format (the first VHS-C VCR JVC HR-C3 coming out the same time).
> The first VHS camcorder was not VHS-C.
I told you a specific make and model.
Do you actually have a reference to any make and model of VHS camcorder commercially available prior to 1984? The NiCd 10kg “portable” JVC HR-4100 shoulder strap VTR came out in 1978, tis not a camcorder.
To be clear I’m (consistently) using “camcorder” with the commonly accepted definition of a camera and video recorder in a self-contained unit. With that definition the earliest commercially available VHS format camcorder was the JVC VHS-C mentioned, with Matsushita coming out with the full size M1 a few months later.
Prior to the GR-C1 there was a neat accessory to shoulder carry the aforementioned VHS-C portable, but not a camcorder (regardless the first VHS on your shoulder was VHS-C). This was sort of a poor man's Betacam setup.
Prior to that your options for portable VHS were the heavy carrying strap separate VTR like the JVC HR-2200 and the HR-4100 (sometimes referred to as “Portapaks” which was a genericization of Sonys open reel systems from the 60s). They were heavy and inferior to the contemporary Betamax and U-Matic S options, pros didn’t really use them and few enthusiasts were up for lugging 20 kilos of shit around. Hitachi made a few units as well.
Prior to 1985 there were just a handful of VHS licensees. JVC/Victor, Matsushita, Hitachi and Sharp with the other names like RCA as rebadges. No camcorders I’m aware of. I think you’re mistaken, but would be very interested in being corrected with specifics (as would the Rewind Museum).
The thing about hardware/electronic technology history in general is that the difference between 1976 and 1983 is not subtle. While VHS came out in 1976, and video tape in the 1960s, the technology to mass produce the level of integration for a camcorder did not exist (or at least was not cost effective) (not to mention the power efficiency leaps necessary as we were stuck with NiCds). Anyone that regularly dismantles any kind of electronic equipment from the 1970s to 1980s is aware of the extreme shift in integration that occurred during that time period, LSI ASICs, surface mount, things that were nearly unheard of in a commercial device in 1976, took hold in the 80s. It took a great deal of further engineering to make a camcorder possible, the tape format being around wasn't the issue. VHS-C like Betacam was developed in anticipation of this, not the other way around.
The first 1GB consumer drives came out in like 1993. I remember having a several GB (I think a little over 4GB?) hard drive on a home computer sold with Windows 95. DVD wouldn't come out for about another two years in the US and wouldn't have been widely used until at least 1998+. My 1998 desktop had something like 11GB of space. DVD burners and players wouldn't really be very affordable until about the 2000s. VHS was definitely still widely used for several years after multi-GB hard drives were common in the consumer market.
Even then, in the late 90s flash media was horrifically expensive. I seem to recall my family buying a 16MB Smartmedia card in the late 90s (massive for the time) for ~$150 or so on sale. You'd be storing a few minutes of highly compressed video on a card like that compared to the several hours of video you could put on a VHS tape. Direct-to-DVD camcorders wouldn't be a thing until the 2000s at which point 40+GB hard drives were starting to become common and flash cards were starting to get to several dozen MBs at least for ~$100 or so.
I wasn't really sure what OP meant by VHS being "totally obsolete". It would have been getting there for new camcorders by the mid 90s (replaced by 8mm and eventually DV), but VHS itself would remain relevant into the mid 2000s.
Just going by pop culture, we had the 4GB base model iMac in 1998 and a hit film about a cursed video tape in 2002.
Anecdotally, I remember my family getting a Windows 95 computer with a 1GB hard drive (Quantum Bigfoot, no less) in 1995 or 1996, and a really cool decorated box set of the Alien quadrillogy on VHS around the turn of the millennium from Tower Records.
Understandable. Sometimes such a small window of history a while ago gets blurry. Sometimes I need to look things up as well to remember the order of things.
VHS was obsolete, but not everyone grabbed a new camera every year. Before digital VHS-C was the normal home camcorder. The first Digital consumer camcorder came out in 1995¹. Digital 8 came out in 1999. So people were definitely using a lot VHS up to early 2000s.
Video and Hi 8 enjoyed a significant fraction of the camcorder market as well. They were better in every way than VHS and S-VHS, respectively, but more expensive.
Late reply, but I agree, they were better. I had sort of forgotten about these. One drawback was this though: if you wanted your home video library to be on VHS tape (so you could use your VCR, and also more easily show your movie at friends and family), you dubbed from Hi 8 to VHS, with degraded picture as a result.
