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I've never found someone with creative enough accounting to make UBI work. Just purely on numbers:

57 million UK adults getting £1000 a month (It'll leave you dying on the street in 1/3rd of the country)

Over the course of a year = £684 billion. Current total government spend is 1,278 billion

If you abolished all forms of social care including welfare, pensions, child care, disability (the lot). And education. And the NHS. you could do it providing you also dropped defence by 2/3rds.

UBI is madness.



> 57 million UK adults getting £1000 a month

You phase it in. You start with something a little more than UC of, say £400/month for people not receiving pensions. You increase as it can be afforded. it gives people a great deal of security.

So far fewer people (37m of working age) getting less than half the amount you came up with costs. That is £278bn offset by reducing welfare spending. You would need to continue housing benefit and some others if it was that low so you could not dismantile the entire system.

> It'll leave you dying on the street in 1/3rd of the country

I doubt that - it is not a decent income, but most people would earn on top of it. That is the whole point. It would give people a greater incentive to work than the current system which reduces welfare if they earn. A lot of people will not work because they are no better off if they do.

OBR projects welfare spending to be £338bn by 29/30 anyway.

You are leaving a lot of things out. For one thing if it was taxable income (as pensions and many benefits are) tax revenues would increase too as most people would pay on it.

It would provide a huge economic stimulus which would further increase tax revenues. People on low incomes spend more of their income. Some of that would be on things with consumption taxes.

It would give people a great deal of financial security.

You cannot calculate the effects of a huge change like this on the assumption that nothing else changes.


£1000 a month for a single person certainly sounds like poverty, but £2000 a month for a couple sounds more manageable. If they each find a side gig that pays just another £100 a week, they're suddenly into the top half of households [0] - even better than that outside London.

[0] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personal...


That's in line with the OP's point that it's not really affordable compared with the current system, for all that system's flaws

The fact that a UBI which set at a rate low enough to make some existing benefit dependents would also be a generous subsidy to homeowning couples who might be able to use it to to retire a decade or two early isn't one of its strong points


This also assumes that government tax revenue doesn’t drop, and with most of the population unemployed, that will likely not be the case.


If AI was putting people out of work at that rate the remaining businesses would be hugely profitable so there would be a huge tax base. The economic output would be the same or higher.

If you are suggesting people would choose not to work if we had UBI, the evidence from trials so far is that it does not happen.


Corporation tax is much lower and easier to dodge than income tax. Corporation taxes were only 11% of UK government income compared to 28% for personal income tax, 18% for national insurance and 17% for VAT (sales tax). If a company did develop AGI, it would sell services in the Uk and pay licenses to the technology in a subsidiary in a low-tax durisdiction like we have with ireland for the past couple of decades.




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