There's a lot of local Flock maps out there. You can also submit your own.
For those who are more inclined to direct protest, you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable. Not that I would ever recommend vandalization.
Sure, the EFF and ACLU are going the legal route. That's all they can do.
If this is related to your other point about spraypainting lenses, I don't want to accidentally start clicking links for Discords about vandalizing government operations from my home IP address.
It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting. Smart protesters would practice the most basic of OPSEC practices, like not joining random Discord links shared without context.
"It's also illogical to encourage this behavior if your goal is protesting."
Yeah, if you lack imagination ;)
There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction. I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here. For one, VPNs and disposable accounts exist.
I don't disagree, but you are arguing against a strawman that was started upthread. GP didn't say they were afraid to look at countermeasures, they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement. I try to avoid Discord for everything, regardless how innocuous the subject matter is.
We're agreement that discord sucks and should not be used for these sorts of communities.
But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc.
> But I truly don't think that clicking on a discord link that already has 1500 people in it is going to be problematic to any degree that would lead to prosecution, banning, etc.
This comment section is about efforts to avoid driving past ALPR cameras that might collect your license plate number while doing innocuous driving around.
Do you not see the logical inconsistency with encouraging people to join a Discord from a comment that talks about vandalizing government property, an actual crime?
> they were questioning the wisdom of clicking a random link that goes to a closed platform that collects a ton of surveillance data and has a history of sharing with law enforcement
Surprisingly ironic, given that the topic is about security cameras from a company that collects data and shares it with law enforcement.
It's not ironic at all. It doesn't take much threat modeling to understand that the risk of getting banned from discord isn't the same risk. And whatever risk there is becomes offset by a need to want to protect your loved ones.
If you don't want to put yourself into a limited risky situation, then you're good. But braver people will and that's okay.
So avoiding ALPR security cameras while doing innocuous driving: Important for privacy
Joining random Discord links from people discussing how to vandalize government property (a literal crime): Perfectly fine, nothing to worry about, just click the link and don't ask questions?
> I really think you're exaggerating what the risks are here
Not exaggerating. Have had multiple friends lose Discord accounts suddenly because an old Discord they forgot about was flagged for illegal activity. There's an entire subreddit full of similar posts.
Yes, I'm aware that discord does it. But what I'm responding to is you saying that that the act of clicking a discord link will lead to a ban. That's an exaggeration.
> There are many, many forms of protesting that don't escalate to destruction.
The comment with the Discord was giving advice for vandalizing the cameras. Direct quote to what I was responding to:
> you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable.
You cropped out the first part that implicitly indicates that there are more forms of protesting than direct action. I get what your point is, but I think you're making a mountain out of an ant hill. Just don't click the damn link lmao.
Yep, because there are only two possibilities in this entirely binary world: click opaque links from strangers on the internet, or just shut up and comply
"you're either with me or you're against me" is an indicator for a bad decision being forced upon you, often by a bad person. Best to just disregard and move on.
The discord itself isn't about the destruction of the ALPRs. It's just a community to map the devices and to understand their use throughout the US. Things people do outside of that community is separate.
It's an abuse of the system so I'm not advocating it, but there's a temptation to add my residential subdivision to the map.
I have to be honest: I don't really want people who wish to avoid police tracking in my neighborhood. I don't care why you don't want to be tracked; I suspect that some subset of those who don't want to be tracked may be criminals, and there's zero loss to me from reduced vehicular traffic, so why not? Why not take advantage of the perceived threat to privacy? It's like putting signs up on one's home or business windows that advertise surveillance cameras are in place — it's either neutral or a win to me no matter why the existence of said surveillance bothers someone.
I disagree with you, but I applaud your willingness to be honest even though you had to have known it wouldn't be popular in this thread. I think you are articulating the same feelings that the majority of people probably feel, so I think your perspective is valuable. Thank you for sharing!
Giving detailed instructions and then saying "but I wouldn't recommend it" is just saying "please do this but don't put me in jail for telling you to do it".
Governments are not stupid and such tactics don't work.
There's a lot of local Flock maps out there. You can also submit your own.
For those who are more inclined to direct protest, you can spraypaint the lenses and/or the solar panels. If you dont want to get caught with spraypaint, use nutella or peanut butter. Its sticky and easily spreadable. Not that I would ever recommend vandalization.
Sure, the EFF and ACLU are going the legal route. That's all they can do.