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Gaza has been under blockade since 2007, and the roots of the conflict date back to the founding of the Zionist Organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897 with the purpose to facilitate the escape of Jews from persecution in Eastern Europe by establishing a colony in Palestine. Israel has persecuted the indigenous people of Palestine ever since.


> the roots of the conflict date back to the founding of the Zionist Organization by Theodor Herzl in 1897 with the purpose to facilitate the escape of Jews from persecution in Eastern Europe by establishing a colony in Palestine

Please, the roots of this conflict go back millenia. Nothing done in the last hundred years have helped it. And the Palestinian people keep getting fucked by outside powers using them for their own ends, whether it be the Arab countries invading Israel or Iran having their sock puppets invite bombs. But it's a bit silly to imagine that if we poofed Israel and turned Israel & Palestine into a democracy that we wouldn't, within like two minutes, start seeing missiles flying.


> within like two minutes, start seeing missiles flying.

And that’s worse than the current situation how exactly?

In fact, it would be objectively better because there would be justice: no apartheid, no occupation, no tiered citizenship, and no blockade.


> that’s worse than the current situation how exactly?

Uh, look at the civil wars in Sudan, Ethiopia and Burma.

> it would be objectively better because there would be justice: no apartheid, no occupation, no tiered citizenship, and no blockade

What? Why do you think changing borders on paper has any effect on how the people actually on the ground feel about and treat each other?

We're not half a decade out from our withdrawal from Afghanistan and we're back to the notion that remote powers drawing lines on a map somehow dictatates reality in the Middle East?


First, ending an occupation and apartheid is not “changing borders”. You are maliciously oversimplifying the situation in Palestine.

Second, are you seriously saying that people’s feelings have nothing to do with injustices waged upon them by force?

And just to add one thing - the theoretical worsening of a situation in response to ending injustice never justifies the maintaining of said injustice. You can argue this point all you want, but it will never be true.


> ending an occupation and apartheid is not “changing borders”

"Poof[ing] Israel and turned Israel & Palestine into a democracy" literally is.

> are you seriously saying that people’s feelings have nothing to do with injustices waged upon them by force?

Nope.

> the theoretical worsening of a situation in response to ending injustice never justifies the maintaining of said injustice

I'm not talking about justification. Famine is unjustified. The war is unjustified.

I'm saying Y would be worse than X. That is true. It doesn't justify X. But it does make Y stupid.




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