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> I think that Apple is a company that has to obey the rule of law.

Right, so the fundamental problem is having a device where the software that runs on it is controlled by a single company. It creates the attractive nuisance of being able to choke off anything the government doesn't like because, as you said, that single point of contact can't avoid obeying the government.

Computing needs to be open and controlled only by each individual owner of each device, so anyone can run whatever they like sourced from wherever they like.



That’s your belief and there is a platform that allows just that.

The fundamental problem here is not specific to Apple; It’s specific to a regime that is overstepping its bounds daily.


> That’s your belief and there is a platform that allows just that.

A platform that's just about to take it away with user registrations. And that isn't just a 'belief' - that's what a lot of people do with their phones.

But the problem here isn't about an alternative. Apple platform is popular enough to make it a juicy target for tyrannical regimes. And when that happens, millions of people find their devices useless or outright hostile towards them, due to lack of user-controlled escape hatches.

> The fundamental problem here is not specific to Apple; It’s specific to a regime that is overstepping its bounds daily.

Would you have predicted the current situation two years ago? Regimes go rogue unpredictably all the time. That's why people argue against this sort of device lock down all the time! It's meaningless to shift the entire blame on to the regime after Apple failed to take precautions in the face these warnings.


> Would you have predicted the current situation two years ago?

Yes. There is nothing surprising to me about the current situation.

> Apple platform is popular enough to make it a juicy target for tyrannical regimes.

Agreed, if for nothing else than its size alone. It is also a target for so many folks to say, "if it was different in this one way, it would be amazing (for me.)"


> Yes. There is nothing surprising to me about the current situation.

That would mean that you willfully defended a vulnerability that you could foresee being exploited.

> It is also a target for so many folks to say, "if it was different in this one way, it would be amazing (for me.)"

Apple has been consistent in their messaging. You have to give up your freedom over your devices to ensure security. Not make it hard or explicit to override safety measures. Not make it safe through careful design. But you have to give up your freedom. And there is no limit to the steps they took in this direction.

People had already pointed out that all those measures were for profit squeezing, disguised as security measures. The most important observation though, was that it's a very flawed argument. Security by centralized control is a vulnerability in itself, as evidenced by this incident.

Apple and its supporters fought this argument in a consistent manner too. With shallow dismissals of the concerns, accompanied by the contemptuous implication that the detractors are overreacting. As if the critics should be ashamed for even bringing them up. They never really address the concern directly. You can see this in action in interviews where their top management justify such decisions. I don't see that having changed much.

But, Apple or any other company doesn't deserve to be let off the hook for incidents like this. There is no reason to consider all their decisions as enlightened, especially when corporate profit seeking is involved.


> That would mean that you willfully defended a vulnerability that you could foresee being exploited.

Nope, I voted against it.


That's not what I am referring to.


What platform? Android is removing installing software from "unverified" developers which leads to this exact same scenario.




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