> Landlords get in a lot of trouble, for renting illegal apartments.
Do you have a source for this because I’m not convinced. Maybe a small portion do but the majority face no penalties. When I was in college the number of questionably legal homes for rent was insane, but I didn’t have time to go after them. A friend of mine did and won, but it required a lot of time. Most of the time the landlord does what they want and the renters don’t have the resources to go after them.
You make it sound like it’s the renters who take advantage of the landlords but most of the time it’s the landlords who do whatever they want. The ones who stopped paying rent probably were doing so legally because a lot of them were forced to not work.
Anything legal involves time and effort, but you certainly cannot do a "rapid eviction" on an illegal or unscheduled apartment.
Landlords naturally (e.g., by the nature) have the upper hand because they have the desired thing - the rental.
Tenants often have the legal upper hand, but the whole job of the landlord (even good ones!) is to work out which tenants know how to play the game and not rent to them.
In this case it sounds like "do whatever they want" for the landlords means entering into a mutually agreed upon contract to rent their house when they aren't allowed to by the nonsensical nitpicky rules. But "do whatever they want" for the tenants means squatting. So, yeah, it sounds like the tenants are the ones taking advantage. Tenants can get away with murder.
Look at rentals in college towns… education is already expensive so the tenants just want cheap housing. This attracts many landlords of the slumlord variety but because there’s a contract involved they’re given a pass. But even then they don’t necessarily abide by the contract and students don’t have the time and money to deal with small claims court so they just pay up (or accept the loss). Landlords absolutely take advantage of this situation.
As for squatters, yeah they’re taking advantage of lax enforcement but they’re few and far between despite what you’d read on the internet.
> Tenants can get away with murder.
Sounds like hyperbole
I guess my rant is just that renters get shit on because of a few squatters but landlords barely ever get criticized because there’s a contract involved. Some of the stuff I’ve read on the contracts isn’t even legal but a lot of tenants aren’t savvy to cross check laws or they’re owned by huge conglomerates who use stuff like RealPage.
I will admit to some bias here. I have been renting now for 22 years and have never had anything beyond a minor problem with a landlord that couldn't be resolved by a phone call. This seems to be the case for 90% of people I know. Then there's that person that is always having problems with landlords / neighbors and I tend to think the problem isn't actually the landlord / neighbors.
Yeah I can understand. In college I certainly lived with some folks who trashed the place. After I graduated and rented in nicer parts I haven’t had as much of an issue. Except most of them want to keep as much of the security deposit as possible and start coming up with bullshit costs with no itemization. I admit I’m biased against landlords - I hate how much of the costs can be passed down to the renter, like they aren’t making enough already. The best ones IME are the ones who have one or two properties, and the ones who have close to a dozen are a nightmare. Never been happier after buying my own place.
This is completely irrelevant to anything. It's none of the business of the tenant how much the landlord is profiting, and it's the obligation of the landlord to return the deposit fairly even if he is losing money on the property. Your experience is the opposite of mine in terms of small vs large landlords. Where I'm from the corporate landlords don't even charge deposits when you have good credit and income.
> This is completely irrelevant to anything. It's none of the business of the tenant how much the landlord is profiting
It certainly feels relevant when they start making excuses about why they have to charge you for things they cannot charge you for, claiming how expensive things are now. Operating costs have gone up for everyone, that doesn’t mean you get make things up to pass down the cost. But I do understand your point.
> Where I'm from the corporate landlords don't even charge deposits when you have good credit and income.
True, that has been my experience as well and I wasn’t explicit about that. The last couple of places we rented were from corporate ones and have had 0 issues compared to the mom and pop ones.
Around here, most of the landlords are people just like you. They own a house, and want to get a bigger one, so they either rent the old house (those are often legal rentals), or they divide the house they live in (or their old house), and rent the apartments (those are the ones that are usually illegal).
They aren't land barons or slumlords, and they get pretty screwed, when tenants abuse them. They can lose everything. One family I knew, had to let the house go into foreclosure, because the tenant refused to move, and refused to pay rent. I don't know what happened, after that, but I know that it's nearly impossible to sell a house that's occupied, and the tenants will often abuse the house before they are evicted (which can take months).
Do you have a source for this because I’m not convinced. Maybe a small portion do but the majority face no penalties. When I was in college the number of questionably legal homes for rent was insane, but I didn’t have time to go after them. A friend of mine did and won, but it required a lot of time. Most of the time the landlord does what they want and the renters don’t have the resources to go after them.
You make it sound like it’s the renters who take advantage of the landlords but most of the time it’s the landlords who do whatever they want. The ones who stopped paying rent probably were doing so legally because a lot of them were forced to not work.