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the vast majority of people rooting for this outcome want to see a more powerful china or russia


That's not true. We just don't want the Five Eyes to be used as excuse for domestic surveillance without a non-FISA court order, which strongly happens to be the case.


Five Eyes is the mechanism for intelligence sharing between countries. Domestic surveillance, if it occurs, is not inherently part of that framework.


And ironically, one of the reasons why Five Eyes was so valuable is that it allows spy agencies that are banned from domestic surveillance from surveilling their own allies and then sharing the results, or at the very least sharing intel they've received elsewhere.


Snitching on each other's citizens, thereby illegally engaging in domestic surveillance of one's own citizens, absolutely is an integral part of it.


The Germans would have loved intelligence on the Hamburg cell planning 9/11. It wouldn't have just been a benefit to them.




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