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This is an important and unintuitive reality about all kinds of tests. You have to take into account the base rate - the likelihood that you have the disease given what you know prior to the test.

If you're otherwise healthy and would have a 1/1,000,000 chance of having the disease before the test, and then you test positive with a test that is 99% accurate, you are ~100x more likely to have the disease than before - but that's still only 1/10,000 - not at all 99% likely, even though the test was "99% accurate"

That said, I think with this knowledge the test still confers helpful information. I might decide to spend $1000 on an additional diagnostic, even knowing that I'm still very likely to be negative. Depends on how wealthy I am, and how serious the disease is, and what the treatments for it are.





> I might decide to spend $1000 on an additional diagnostic, even knowing that I'm still very likely to be negative.

The problem is that diagnostics aren't necessarily risk-free. For example, there's a non-zero risk of death while getting a colonoscopy, to the point that false positives from unnecessary testing can increase all-cause mortality for patients.


Case I read in the JAMA which I get because I signed up during covid.

Late 20's Hispanic lady shows up in the ER with what they think is probably food poisoning. But they do a CT. Which shows changes in her liver which probably is a fatty liver. But they do a biopsy just in case. Biopsy results in a bleed which requires a transfusion and 4 days in the hospital. Biopsy result, fatty liver.


There is also a nontrivial chance of every CT scan to cause fatal cancer. It's a ton of radiation[1], and ERs love pushing it indiscriminately on vulnerable people.

[1] https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info/safety-xray


This.

Surprisingly few ER docs anywhere in the world have even a rudimentary understanding of the risks of CT scanning patients. There's a lot of information around about this, but my own first hand (anecdotal) experience is that I've had ER docs try to convince me that it's basically the same as an X-Ray and act like I'm a crazy person when I explain that it's orders of magnitude higher and cumulative over a lifetime. On one hand, it's not their job to care about your long term health - they need to rule out an emergency and get you out the door as quickly as possible - but it's very concerning.

It's a bit like how general practitioners aren't taught about nutrition at all, so give out really poor advice for heart disease patients (the leading cause of mortality in Western economies).


Radiation damage being cumulative over long periods is an assumption for radiation safety. In reality, it is probably less harmful than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_no-threshold_model

Edit: For comparison, a chest X-ray is around 0.1mSv, a chest CT at 6.1mSv, so a factor of 61 between (https://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info/safety-xray ). Compared to natural exposure (usually 1 to 3mSv/a) however, a chest CT isn't that bad at 2 to 3 years natural dose, 2 polar flights or 1 year of living at higher altitude or Ramsar (https://aerb.gov.in/images/PDF/image/34086353.pdf ). Acute one-time dose damage has been shown above 100mSv, below that there is no damage shown, only statistical extrapolations.

So I'd say that the risk of using a CT right away should be lower than the risk of overlooking a bleed or a clot in an emergency, where time is of the essence and the dance of "let's do an X-ray first..." might kill more patients than the cancers caused by those CTs.


> On one hand, it's not their job to care about your long term health - they need to rule out an emergency and get you out the door as quickly as possible - but it's very concerning.

Yeah, but what's the alternative when you have a stroke? They need to understand it's type and the mistake here is likely to be fatal since they require opposite treatments.


There's also a real psychic cost to even a tentative positive result, which is why I'm much more likely to get an actual colonoscopy than a Cologuard test.

I had the same thought. I got the colonoscopy and I don’t regret it at all. And for anyone thinking about it or stressing about it, the prep was not that bad. If you’re over 45 just do it.

I had put it off for several years because everyone kept telling me how awful the prep was. My doctor kept pestering me to agree to do it so I eventually relented.

Turns out, I needed to go to the bathroom frequently during the day which was an annoyance but I never had anything close to an "accident" nor did I feel any strong urge to evacuate at night. So the whole experience turned out to be a huge nothing-burger and I had a few polyps that got sniped that weren't cancerous - so now I have peace of mind that I didn't have before.




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