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I'd love to see the results of mandating a random order dict impl at an actual company/org (but hate to be forced to participate). Hopefully you hired developers who really like to write sorting algos.


Swift (heavily used by Apple) has randomly ordered dictionaries for security:

> In particular, random seeding enables better protection against (accidental or deliberate) hash-flooding attacks

https://forums.swift.org/t/psa-the-stdlib-now-uses-randomly-...


Perhaps not unrelated to why Python is the #1 most popular language while Swift is #22 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/


Swift isn’t popular because its Dictionary type uses randomly ordered keys?


It certainly could be a reason among many. Just look at the thread GP shared, containing multiple years' worth of users voicing frustration at the introduction of this behavior.


Probably the inference is YAGNI .


Well, that is how hash tables in go works, so you'd not have to look that far.


Perl since 5.8.something has had the option of perturbing the hash function, so it is different from run to run. You can also set the set to a given value in order to lock in the sequence.

In any case, it is not ordered. If you want that, you have to explicitly sort the keys of the hash.


Great. Maybe GP will go a step farther and also mandate arrays that return elements in random order too. Relying on insertion order for any reason is for weaklings.




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