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That's probably better anyway. Air fares should cover the costs of flying. It's already a very profitable activity: it's much more efficient than the alternatives, and flying provides much value to passengers. So why can't the industry fund itself?




> It's already a very profitable activity...

US airlines made approximately zero total profit from 1990-2023.

> ...it's much more efficient than the alternatives

I guess this depends on the definition of efficient and for what measurement.


Ok sure the airlines themselves aren't managing to capture the profit from the overall activity (I assume because of intense competition in that part of the value chain) but what about the gains of everyone else involved? For instance the value to passengers is greater than the cost of the airfare, or they wouldn't buy a ticket in the first place. And all the others who make money from it.

There have been plenty of airlines that have gone out of business, so it's not just a money making machine that you seem to think it is.

I think the argument is that if you take the airline industry as whole (so not just airlines, but aircraft manufacturers, travel agencies, airports, all the concessions there, ...) it's still very profitable.

And if you add the value to the customers, then it's through the roof.

Maybe the reverse is more clear: if air travel didn't exist, it would have a huge economic impact; a clear proof of the value creation. Airlines just happen to capture essentially 0% of it.


That's a false dichotomy. If airlines didn't exist, we would have found some other way to move things. Maybe trains, which would have been the better future by far.

What timeline are you in that we skipped trains and went to airplanes instead? We went to planes because trains were slow, and have a problem going across large bodies of water.

The reasonably best examples of commuter trains are far superior to those of commuter airplanes as long as we are not talking about travel over or around significant bodies of water or long distances.

Trains carry much more weight, are more fuel efficient, are safer, generally experience fewer delays and cancelations, and door-to-door are faster for shorter trips (<450 miles).

Safety: since 1964, the Shinkansen has carried over 10 billion passengers without a single passenger fatality from a crash or derailment.

Speed: for trips < 450 miles, trains win because of security, ATC, taxiing, etc.

The majority of travel is not over water. It may be that trains' other advantages are preferable even for longer trips where a train would be slower.


Is this definitely not from Hollywood Accounting?

> It's already a very profitable activity

For whom? Historically, aviation has not been a profitable industry over its lifetime[0]. The companies that still fly are basically just a combination of "survivorship bias" and "newbies still somehow subsidized".

We're looking at today's companies like you'd look at the half-season cast of Squid Game and thinking "this group seems to be thriving, I guess". That only works if you disregard everything that's happened before now and what will likely happen for the rest of the season.

[0]: https://aviationstrategy.aero/newsletter/Jun-2015/1/Airline-...


> […] it's much more efficient than the alternatives […]

Efficiency by what metric? Energy per distance travelled? Energy per kilogram moved (per kilometer?)? Time? CO2 emissions?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport

* https://ourworldindata.org/travel-carbon-footprint

For distances <120 km, cars are often quicker than trains, and for >900km planes are, but in between trains are often quickest (assuming infrastructure is actually present).


Human hours (as in total hours, including work hours) per passenger-mile.



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