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Its a matter of approach and I wouldn't say what I've found to work for me would work for anyone else.

In my experience, I'm best served by trying to reinforce awareness rather than relying on it. If I got into the habit of always using blinkers regardless of my surroundings I would end up paying less attention while driving.

I rode motorcycles for years and got very much into the habit of assuming that no one on the road actually knows I'm there, whether I'm on an old parallel twin or driving a 20' long truck. I need that for us while driving and using blinkers or my brights as motivation for paying attention works to keep me focused on the road.

Signaling my turns is zero cost with regards to that action. At least for me, signaling as a matter of habit comes at the cost of focus.





The point of making signaling a habit is that you don't think about it at all. It becomes an automatic action that just happens, without affecting your focus.

I have also ridden motorcycles for many years, and I am very familiar with the assumption that nobody on the road knows I exist. I still signal, all the time, every time, because it is a habit which requires no thinking. It would distract me more if I had to decide whether signalling was necessary in each case.


This is all fine and good until you accidentally kill someone with your blinkers off and then you have to wonder 'what if' the rest of your life.

Seriously: signal your turns and stop defending the indefensible, this is just silly.


You're making a huge leap here. I'm raising only had signaling intentionally rather than automatically has made me pay more attention to others on the road. You're claiming that that action which has proven to make me pay closer attention will kill someone.

By not signaling you are robbing others on the road the opportunity to avoid a potential accident should you not have seen them. It's maximum selfish fuck everyone else asshole behavior.

Did you read any of my comments? I signal when anyone is around and don't signal when there is no one to notify of my upcoming turn.

I read them all. I am especially amazed by the comment that you used to ride motorcycles and assumed you were not seen -- which is a good practice.

The point of indicating is that it's even more important to the people you didn't notice.


Yes, I read your comments, but you apparently didn’t read mine. I specifically said for the case where you don’t notice someone.

It’s pretty clear that you believe that you are perfect and will never make a mistake. It’s at the very least arrogant if not outright delusional.


No, I'm not claiming it will kill someone, I'm claiming it may kill someone.

There is this thing called traffic law and according to that law you are required to signal your turns. If you obstinately refuse to do so you are endangering others and I frankly don't care one bit about how you justify this to yourself but you are not playing by the rules and if that's your position then you should simply not participate in traffic. Just like you stop for red lights when you think there is no other traffic. Right?

Again: it costs you nothing. You are not paying more attention to others on the road because you are not signalling your turns, that's just a nonsense story you tell yourself to justify your wilful non-compliance.


There is no such thing as not signaling. By not using the turn signal, you are lying to anyone around that you might not see, signaling that you are going straight forward when you aren't.

Spot on.



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