Wonder how that changed the perception and the desire to become an ATC. Did it have a measurable impact, with folks avoiding that line of work. Or, it hasn't really made much of a difference? The idea is if many are retiring but we're graduating or hiring just as many or more, that's not that bad.
Use it for luxury goods! "Why _my_ iphone arrived in Baltimore on a clean cargo ship, so yeah, ..."
I am only half joking. Anything luxury of vanity related, just add the fact they've gotten to the consumer on a clean ship and you'll find some people to pay extra for it. The more expensive the better. They can brag about it to each other.
I can recall an 'artisinal' chocolate brand in Brooklyn doing this about fifteen years ago, taking cocoa from the Dominican Republic to Brooklyn via sailboat.
My observation is that prople interested in luxury stuff are usually those that have the least interest on their carbon footprint.
It's rather more interesting to them if luxury stuff is made out of the rarest and most undangered species possible. Also diamonds mined by kids are more popular and expensive than fabricated ones.
Or an experiment? Maybe eventually finding its niche, even if it doesn't solve climate change, but why would the impact be zero? If it does not use oil, then this is CO2 not released.
> The 136-metre-long vessel had to rely partly on its auxiliary motor and its remaining sail after the aft sail was damaged in a storm shortly after departure.
Last summer we motored ~10% of the miles.That includes full day leg when there was practically no wind and few hours occasionally with combined powering. Working towards less or fractional oil based power can have significant benefits.
I expect that it's much worse than zero impact. Don't forget that they've got to build and maintain the ship, feed the crew, and so forth. It seems likely that what they're not using in the actual propulsion of the ship, they're expending anyway - and then some - because they've lost the economies of scale of giant cargo ships.
But that's burning fuel and pollutes the air! It's not good if they want to show off how conscious they are about the climate, and also how much they are willing to spend just for that.
> The authors give an example: “Among white male job candidates, is it ethical to screen out individuals whose faces predict less desirable personalities?”
Wonder why they mention "while male job candidates" specifically? Seems a bit odd.
> Yale faculty, alumni and administrators helped found the American Eugenics Society in the 1920s and brought its headquarters to the New Haven Green in 1926.
> Not odd at all; it is to remove an obvious bias of recognizing race.
It is odd because that means they already had to separate the dataset into various races, and we know how well that works. What specific shade of skin are they picking for their threshold. Are they measuring skull sizes to pick and choose? Isn't that back to "phrenology" and eugenics. Then, how do they define "men" and and "women"? Maybe someone is neither but now they are stuck labeled in a category they do not want to be in.
> It's almost certainly self-identification, which is the standard for such studies.
No it isn't:
> we use VGG-Face classifier, which is wrapped in the DeepFace Python package developed by Serengil and Ozpinar (2020) algorithm, to obtain an image-based classification of a person’s race. We combine this image-based race classification with a name-based...
Yup. I always thought it was a way just to get business in EU. Do some performative dance of "hey, look! a separate DC building with EU employees only" and then hope nobody would ask too many questions.
Then the next level is regulators in EU also have to care and can't just say "ok, you have a separate DC building with EU employees only. Good. My job is done, I checked" and move on.
> This is probably why savings here matter a lot more (or at least in a very different way) than the battery weight.
Wouldn't that make it worse or just ... different. Before this the unsprung weight wouldn't have had a motor in there and now it does. Increasing the unsprung weight doesn't seem a like a good thing.
> October 23, 2023: They confirm receipt and are working on taking action. After this date and up until January 2, 2024, there were various back and forth emails trying to get Tata Motors to revoke the AWS keys. I am not sure if something was lost in translation, but it took a lot of pestering and specific instructions to get it done.
Wow, they had to go out of their way and plead with Tata Motors to fix their own shit. I can only admire their patience. Can't say I would be that patient.
> Feels like this violates zig “no hidden control flow” principle.
A hot take here is that the whole async thing is a hidden control flow. Some people noticed that ever since plain callbacks were touted as a "webscale" way to do concurrency. The sequence of callbacks being executed or canceled forms a hidden, implicit control flow running concurrently with the main control logic. It can be harder to debug and manage than threads.
But that said, unless, Zig adds a runtime with its own scheduler and turns into a bytecode VM, there is not much it can do. Co-routines and green threads have been done before in C and C-like languages, but not sure how easily the would fit with Zig and its philosophy.
hidden control flow means no control flow occurs outside of function boundaries, keywords, short circuiting operators, or builtins. i believe there is a plan for a asyncresume and asyncsuspend builtins that show the actual sites where control flow happens.
The abstraction on top still async based and I agree it makes sense for Zig. But in general I don't like that abstraction. I like it when it's flipped around -- the abstraction is process/thread/green thread-like and sending messages or events around. Underneath it may involved having a few IO pollers with select/epoll/io_uring, a thread pool, etc. But the top level API doesn't handle promises, futures, callback, deferreds, etc. I am thinking of Go's goroutines, BEAM VM processes, or even plain threads or processes talking over the network or locally via queue.
> I'm so surprised there is so much pushback against this.. AWS is extremely expensive.
Basic rationalization. People will go to extraordinary lengths to justify and defend the choices they made. It's a defense mechanism: if they spent millions on AWS they are not going to sit idly while HN discusses saving hundreds of thousands with everyone nodding and agreeing. It's important for their own sanity to defend the choice they made.
Now that the trick is out the gag order will say explicitly not to make the payment. Or specifically to make a “false flag” payment, tell them it’s the Italians.
There's no need to alter a gag order. If you attempt an end-run around a gag order by speaking in French or Latin or Swahili, the gag order is still violated. This is exactly the same: changing the language in which the gag order is violated.
Are payments "speech" though? Just like the Israeli govt thinks they are being "cute" with the "winks" so can other governments be "cute" with their interpretation of "speech".
Good for them for putting their money where their mouth is and standing up for what they believe.
Also, this is a golden opportunity for multi-billion dollar tech companies to also do the same and match or double the grant money in support of PSF! Google, AWS, Microsoft, anyone?
> Also, this is a golden opportunity for multi-billion dollar tech companies to also do the same and match or double the grant money in support of PSF! Google, AWS, Microsoft, anyone?
Doing so publicly would undermine the public efforts of the same big tech firms to curry favor from the Trump Administration to secure public contracts, regulatory favors, etc. (including the very public scrapping of their own DEI programs), so I wouldn’t expect it or any other positive public involvement from them that would be connected to this. They’ve already chosen a side in this fight.
Yes they have, this is a time of choosing. So seeing which side tech companies have chosen, tech employees can now also choose accordingly.
To everyone here who spent the last decade making $400k+options at these tech firms that are now funding this fascist administration, we see you. You are making a choice as to which side you are on.
I’m not American, nor I’ve ever lived there. But I’m not sure what an average Google/Meta employee is supposed to do? Reality is, this is what an average US citizen wants. It’s not like the government was chosen without the support of majority or something.
The government was chosen with the majority, yes. That does not mean that the majority should have its way with everything, nor does it mean that everyone, even those who voted in favor at that time agree and approve of current behavior. I mean, why even hold another election if the majority voted for the current administration? Oh wait...
He got 47%, which is not a majority of the vote. Also, many people decided to just abstain. He got something like 30% of eligible voters to vote for him.
If those tech companies make a habit of funding "pro-DEI" organizations, their contracts with the US government could be jeoparized.
There's a reason that Google, Amazon, and Microsoft all gave Trump money to demolish the East Wing of the White House and build a ballroom. And it's not their love of ballroom dancing.
It is literally quid pro quo right now. you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such.
But PSF doing this and not playing the game is really awesome. I just hope they can fund themselves through other means.
EU should be stepping up more with funding for projects like this as a replacement for US tech. Major secure reliable funding for open source projects that EU infrastructure can be built on would only increase our independence.
I do! Have you read Timothy Snyder yet? He warns that most of the dictator's power is granted willingly. That's what this is, so to the extent you believe they are blameless, their acquiescence is in real terms making it so much worse:
"Do not obey in advance. Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do." -- Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century
With great power comes great responsibility. Yet somehow we've created a society in America where power comes with no responsibility at all except to enrich one's self and shareholders. Zero responsibility to the Constitution and to the country which gave them the necessary workforce, marketplace, rule of law, military, courts, patent protection, police, schools, universities, research funding, land, roads, shipping lanes, trade deals, political stability, etc. to come to fruition. Once you're rich enough, apparently it's fine to cast all our institutions into the sea, because if not you might have a rough quarter, or maybe you won't get that merger approved. It's just playing the game, who can blame them?
Meanwhile, just to be clear about the game being played, food stamps are set to expire for 40 million people this week, and healthcare premiums are set to double in just a few months. I don't believe tech corporations have any plans to help Americans with their food and healthcare needs, despite being keen to chip in for the ballroom gilding.
I'm watching videos of ICE kidnapping a woman and her kids while shes in their school, to be brought to god knows where, that would not look out of place in the 1930s.
When you have a full time secret police that wanders the streets kidnapping people, yeah that has a chilling effect, people want to keep their heads down.
And its tricky, because they will ignore the huge protests, and they want some sort of armed or civil disobedience when it comes to their secret police because they are looking for excuses to label them Antifa terrorists and escalate.
I don't see the obvious play here for Americans looking to fight this. Maybe the Midterms could help, maybe if enough local action, maybe the US to too big to cow like that, maybe the blue states have enough independence to survive the federal overreach, maybe Trump dies and MAGA dies with him.
They don't have to play the game. It would lead to less profits, sure. But we're talking about companies already sitting on tens of billions of unused cash.
> you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such.
Not to Godwin the thread, but that is exactly what the executives at IBM thought about their European subsidiary Dehomag in the 1930s. Soon they were custom building machines that organized the logistics of the Holocaust.
They got away with it and kept all the profits and were exempted at Nuremberg, for the same reason as all the rocket scientists: America needed the tech.
Kind of like how we're building surveillance software and social media analytics. The future is starting to look like being hung with your social media posts and hunted using everyone's Ring cameras.
Good points. And I'd say that also falls into the "put the money where the mouth is" category. We know where both of those things are for them, so we don't have to have any illusions or fantasies.
I mean, it's also just the plain common sense move: accepting that money would just be putting a noose around their neck and handing the other end to the Trump administration. (And there is a 100.0% chance they'll just claw it back eventually anyway.)
It's a shame that months of NSF grant-writing work was completely wasted though.
> putting a noose around their neck and handing the other end to the Trump administration
Pretty much every "negotiation" with the Trump administration seems to work that way: An iterated prisoner's-dilemma, where any cooperation from you just means they'll betray you even harder next time...
Take a look at MIT's response to the administration regarding the University Compact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_for_Academic_Excellenc...). You can see that MIT has an excellent understanding on how to reply. AFAICT the administration did not reply furiously (if I missed their reply, I woudl appreciate a link to it).
I can also predict the next step here: UT Austin is likely to agree to the compact and will be given a huge monetary award (although I don't think it's a foregone conclusion- they didn't reply within the deadline which suggests that they are working behind the scenes on an agreement).
I have—fortunately—very little personal experience with being extorted by corrupt officials, but I'd wager another facet is to try to ensure all communication is public and recorded.
This forces them to cloak their real demands in something deniable, and that means you can play naive and act like the subtext was never seen.
> > The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers.
> The mission explicitly calls for engineering a racial and ethinic composoition to the user base.
If you're going to lie, don't refute yourself right before the lie.
What does 'facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers' mean?
Here 'diversity' refers to race/ethnicity.
If you don't think so, the PSF do, because its their explicit reason for their lawyers declining the grant. It's also the plain meaning of the term in this context.
Yes, the foundation for a programming language has a mission which involves the racial composition of its user base. Yes, this is entirely in-keeping with their comms and practices over the last few years, if you are at all aware of how they've acted.
No one in this partisan political thread has explained why the foundation for a programming language has a mission involving 'diversity' of people in any sense.
The laywers for the PSF decided that this mission is inconsistent with the government mandate. The PSF did NOT just decline the money.
This entire thread is one big group-think hate dump and has nothing to do with the PSF or why they were legally unable to accept goverment funding conditioned on non-discriminatory practices.
Wonder how that changed the perception and the desire to become an ATC. Did it have a measurable impact, with folks avoiding that line of work. Or, it hasn't really made much of a difference? The idea is if many are retiring but we're graduating or hiring just as many or more, that's not that bad.
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